[QUOTE="Bear"] I meant his. I thought the chances were that you'd rip him a new arsehole :) You're mellowing in your old age.[/QUOTE] Just a little difference of opinion. Andy works in places where every last dot and comma of safety procedures are considered to be rather important. I learnt my mechanicing skills on tractors and trucks out in the bush where you have to find your own way of fixing things. There are therefore good reasons for our differing opinions, I would be equally paranoid in his position.