Zigzagging: Most Dangerous Driving

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by donquijote1954, Aug 6, 2007.

  1. I've led the police into some wild chases in my scooter without them
    ever catching me once.*

    *And then I wake up.
     
    donquijote1954, Aug 8, 2007
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    donquijote1954, Aug 8, 2007
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  3. donquijote1954

    DanKMTB Guest

    No, but he was until he heard the sirens behind him. Splitting lanes
    is preferred in gridlock because the cop up ahead (wherever he is,
    there's always one somewhere) is watching the break down lane. Once
    the lane-splitter realizes Johnny Law is behind him (usually aided by
    Johnny using the siren trying to move traffic out of his way) all bets
    on inconspicuous are off, and it's off to the races, so to speak. At
    this point you get to the edge of the breakdown, since high-speed lane
    splitting through grid locked traffic isn't usually wise.

    I've seen that move too. That'll shut down a car most of the time,
    but on a bike there is usually still a hole big enough for you
    somewhere.

    That's the direction they should be going! If the locals around here
    used those instead of these VW sized cruisers, they might catch
    someone once in a while. Still, he's not catching a dual-sport in the
    dirt, so if there's a trail coming up the dualie is still out. If
    it's more urban and dude can't find a trail, that bike is likely to
    keep tabs on him nicely.

    So they say. I'm from the Northeast, and I don't see that guy often
    if ever. Never on TV, never in the news, and never involved in a
    chase. I also know some guys who have done their share of running,
    and they've never been caught that way. I think it's a West Coast
    thing.

    On a sport bike? You'll get away every time in a one cop town running
    from one cop. I contend that people can get away a good portion of
    the time even in cities with many cops with multiple cops perusing
    them. In a place like LA where there are cops everywhere and choppers
    on call they may get caught, but the suburbs of Boston or Savannah I'm
    betting on the bike.
     
    DanKMTB, Aug 8, 2007
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  4. donquijote1954

    speedyspic Guest

     
    speedyspic, Aug 8, 2007
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  5. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary
    depends upon his not understanding it."
    - Upton Sinclair

    I think the paper on which I'd write to my Congressman (woman) could
    be put to better use. It's all about money, you know...

    'And what does Detroit think about all this? They love it. Why?
    Because when they sell an SUV, they're selling their lowest-tech
    vehicle that has the least R&D expense and costs the least to produce,
    since its basically the same product they've been selling -- as a
    truck -- for the last 50 years. Come on, people! Challenge Detroit!
    Ask for a product they have to break a sweat to design and build! "No
    thank you," says Mr. and Mrs. America, "even though we spent the 1980s
    and 1990s putting down American cars as being technologically inferior
    to European and Japanese products, we've changed our minds now and
    want to buy cars that American manufacturers were good at making -- in
    1950."

    So much for the idiotic decision to buy an SUV that America has been
    making in showrooms for the last ten years. What about SUVs on the
    road? Let's face it: Most people aren't very good drivers and even the
    best drivers have bad moments. This is one reason SUVs are popular.
    When I rant about SUVs to my friends (many of whom drive SUVs), they
    often respond that they feel "safer" in an SUV. They're right, in one
    sense: Surrounded by a ton of unnecessary extra steel, they're likely
    to come out of an accident with a normal-sized car better off than the
    people in the car. But they don't ask themselves whether being in the
    SUV may have contributed to the accident in the first place: With a
    higher center of gravity, poor handling and terrible stopping power
    due to the extra mass of the vehicle, I think this is a real factor in
    a lot of accidents. But, please, let's not think about what we're
    doing, OK? Let's just wrap an extra ton of steel around the kids.'

    http://www.gregburch.net/cars/suvs.html

    My effort go toward THE REVOLUTION. Hey, it may never happen, but I'm
    having fun...

    By the way, you think the monkeys will ever learn to drive?


    What do you think of the monkeys?
    Well, put your headphones on --and grab a banana-- before you can
    enjoy/cry over what these stupid monkeys are doing...



    Oh, we should add that some of them want to believe themselves to be
    lions...

    ***

    Hey, I don't want to leave you depressed with those stupid monkeys.
    Some monkeys really know how to have fun...

    Do you imagine life as a monkey would be like?



    A lot of fun, for sure. I sure like to play with those lady monkeys.

    Hey, if you are really proud of who you are, you may consider this T-
    shirt:

    "Have you felt like monkeying around without any apparent reason and
    with a sense of guilt? Well, now you know what to do..."

    http://www.zazzle.com/product/235602224199217660

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    __________________
    "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere" -M.L. King
     
    donquijote1954, Aug 8, 2007
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  6. It's my contention here that a very modern trend is rooted in a very
    primitive behavior: MONKEY SEE MONKEY DO. Yeap, those who got money
    and power (the top monkeys) ride big shiny SUVs, so the rest of the
    troop quickly learns the trick. IF YOU WANT TO STAND OUT AND SURVIVE
    IN THE JUNGLE YOU BETTER HAVE AN SUV. The hope, however, is that we
    can turn around that bad behavior by changing those monkeys at the top
    --or simply changing their behavior-- so the other monkeys would
    follow...


    (THE HUNDREDTH MONKEY BY KEN KEYES, JR.)

    This book does not deal with petty matters.

    It tells how to operate our lives - and our world.

    It tells us how to stay alive!

    The mess we've brought upon ourselves is a most perilous and
    challenging one.

    The broad picture pieced together here will show you the immensity of
    the nuclear dangers, the futility of any defense or protection, the
    power of the new awareness and your role in the unfolding drama.

    There is a phenomenon I'd like to tell you about.

    In it may lie our only hope of a future for our species.

    Here is the story of the Hundredth Monkey:

    The Japanese monkey, Macaca fuscata, has been observed in the wild for
    a period of over 30 years.

    In 1952, on the island of Koshima scientists were providing monkeys
    with sweet potatoes dropped in the sand. The monkeys liked the taste
    of the raw sweet potatoes, but they found the dirt unpleasant.

    An 18-month-old female named Imo found she could solve the problem in
    a nearby stream. She taught this trick to her mother. Her playmates
    also learned this new way and they taught their mothers, too.

    This cultural innovation was gradually picked up by various monkeys
    before the eyes of the scientists.

    Between 1952 and 1958, all the young monkeys learned to wash the sandy
    sweet potatoes to make them more palatable.

    Only the adults who imitated their children learned this social
    improvement. Other adults kept eating the dirty sweet potatoes.

    Then something startling took place. In the autumn of 1958, a certain
    number of Koshima monkeys were washing sweet potatoes - the exact
    number is not known.

    Let us suppose that when the sun rose one morning there were 99
    monkeys on Koshima Island who had learned to wash their sweet
    potatoes.

    Let's further suppose that later that morning, the hundredth monkey
    learned to wash potatoes.

    THEN IT HAPPENED!

    By that evening almost everyone in the tribe was washing sweet
    potatoes before eating them.

    The added energy of this hundredth monkey somehow created an
    ideological breakthrough!

    But notice.

    A most surprising thing observed by these scientists was that the
    habit of washing sweet potatoes then jumped over the sea -

    Colonies of monkeys on other islands and the mainland troop of monkeys
    at Takasakiyama began washing their sweet potatoes!*

    (*Lifetide by Lyall Watson, pp. 147-148. Bantam Books 1980. This book
    gives other fascinating details.)

    Thus, when a certain critical number achieves an awareness, this new
    awareness may be communicated from mind to mind.

    Although the exact number may very, the Hundredth Monkey Phenomenon
    means that when only a limited number of people know of a new way, it
    may remain the consciousness property of these people.

    But there is a point at which if only one more person tunes-in to a
    new awareness, a field is strengthened so that this awareness is
    picked up by almost everyone!

    Your awareness is needed in saving the world from nuclear war.

    You may be the "Hundredth Monkey" . . . .

    http://secretthink.blog-city.com/from_a_100_monkeys_can_we_learn_their_lesson.htm
     
    donquijote1954, Aug 8, 2007
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  8. donquijote1954

    J. Clarke Guest

    And of course those same automakers who would make this a futile effort
    paid those Congresscritters to tax them. I'm sorry, but if you think
    that politicians are "all about money" you don't have a clue about
    politicians.

    For the automakers the money that it's about is the CAFE tax, which I
    assure that they do not want to have in place and do not want to pay.

    When you get that part through your head, that SUVs exist mostly as a
    tax dodge for the auto manufacturers, _then_ you may be on the path to
    doing something about them.

    Have you noticed that you hardly ever see a station wagon anymore? Have
    you asked yourself why?
     
    J. Clarke, Aug 8, 2007
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  9. donquijote1954

    J. Clarke Guest

    Look more closely at that photo and the forum of which it is a part.

    Are you saying that a cop on a dual-sport automatically can't catch
    someone else on a dual-sport? If so, you've got a big fat surprise
    coming one of these days.
    Define "northeast". NYC certainly has police helicopters. So does
    Boston. So do the NY, CT and MA staties.
    Unless he got your license number and told the staties which way you
    were going.
    So you think that Boston and Savannah don't have "choppers on call" and
    "cops everywhere"?
     
    J. Clarke, Aug 8, 2007
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  10. donquijote1954

    DanKMTB Guest

    I should have been more specific. Most dual-sports I see around here
    (MA & NH) are dirt bikes made barely street legal. Tons of travel, no
    cargo boxes or gadgets, and most importantly off-rd biased tires.
    Those bikes would smoke someone on a bike like that most of the time,
    assuming both riders have at least some skill.

    Absolutely not. I'm saying that of two riders, both capable, one on
    that bike and the other on your average in-use, not showroom dual-
    sport, the guy on the other bike will win in the dirt. The average
    dual-sport is likely to be set up far better for off-rd. I'd also say
    that if you can't get into the woods or trails soon, that bike will
    catch the average dual-sport, because it's set up to be able to lean a
    bit in turns and generally handle on pavement. Dual-sports are a
    giant compromise from the start, and the police bike shown there made
    a lot more compromises on the dirt end to keep the bike very street-
    ish. I still wouldn't want to be running from one, on or off-road,
    given the choice.

    MA & NH. You'd be amazed how often people just choose to run when the
    police hit the blues, and how often they get away. It is not
    something that makes the news, not even the papers, but get a scanner
    or hang out in fast bike or fast car crowds for a bit.

    True. However, many bikes don't have the plate readily visible, and
    they are small to begin with. As for the radio call, that's a given,
    but direction and streets will be changed over and over fast.

    I do. I don't think that the response is the same it is in places
    like L.A. I see chases in LA on TV in MA & NH. I rarely see MA or NH
    chases on TV.

    I have personally seen the police head over to a large group, be it
    motorcycles, cars, dirt bikes or back in the day kids on pedal bikes.
    Often times, one or two people run. Some do it just for fun, because
    they're confident they won't get caught. Other guys were just doing
    wheelies or smoke shows, and they "see the fuzz coming and don't want
    to get busted". Go to a sport bike show/meet and watch a few times.
    You'll see it at some car gatherings too, though those guys have a
    much harder time getting away.
     
    DanKMTB, Aug 8, 2007
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  11. donquijote1954

    Bob Myers Guest

    What, exactly, is an "artic"?

    Bob M.
     
    Bob Myers, Aug 8, 2007
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  12. You are just confirming IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY, both in poltical
    contributions and in dodging CAFE taxes.

    The politicians though are not all about money, but about POLITICAL
    SURVIVAL, and this usually takes money, so you can figure it out
    yourself.
     
    donquijote1954, Aug 8, 2007
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    Pip Guest

    Whereas what we'd call a "semi", Yanks would refer to as a "chubby".
     
    Pip, Aug 8, 2007
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  14. I thought it was a typo, but since I now know what it means, I can
    assert that probably the best drivers in America are bikers (because
    their own survival is at stake) and truck drivers. No wonder, they go
    through some serious training, denied to the average American driver.

    They are probably the only ones that know that "lane discipline" is
    not standing in a queue at the local supermarket.
     
    donquijote1954, Aug 8, 2007
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  15. And what we refer to as "chubby" the merkins call "anorexic".
     
    steve auvache, Aug 8, 2007
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    Ace Guest

    *Nice*
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    Ace, Aug 8, 2007
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  17. donquijote1954

    J. Clarke Guest

    So who paid to get CAFE enacted?
    Again, where did this money that got CAFE enacted come from?
     
    J. Clarke, Aug 8, 2007
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  18. Well, the mentality here is not that bad since drivers usually don't
    pay much attention to what's going on the roads. They worry about not
    spilling the coffee, or what the person on the other side of the cell
    phone is saying. They don't even worry about signal lights that much.
     
    donquijote1954, Aug 8, 2007
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  19. Enlighten me. Who the lawyers? I know they write the laws so they know
    how to break it.
     
    donquijote1954, Aug 8, 2007
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    speedyspic Guest

     
    speedyspic, Aug 8, 2007
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