YZF750R misfire at 4000rpm - help!

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Som, Feb 12, 2004.

  1. Som

    darsy Guest

    well, you haven't owned very many bikes, have you...
     
    darsy, Feb 14, 2004
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    Ben Guest

    true...
     
    Ben, Feb 14, 2004
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    Ben Guest

    Any musings on why it hasn't yet become the norm when you'd be hard
    pushed to find a car without it?
     
    Ben, Feb 14, 2004
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  4. Bike buyers tend to be a conservative bunch and prefer the supposed
    reliability of carbs.

    FI on bikes suffered from unreliability in the early days, leading to
    the above pov.

    FI on bikes isn't really all that well sorted yet. Fine most of the
    time, for most bikes, but isn't 100%.

    Fwiw, I'd be keen on FI, as long as it was user serviceable.

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    Grimly Curmudgeon, Feb 14, 2004
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    Catman Guest


    Catalytic converters for one thing
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    Catman, Feb 14, 2004
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    Ben Guest

    I don't think bike buyers are conservative. If they were they
    conservative then Kawasaki wouldn't be releasing bikes like the ZX10R.
    That's true.
    Disagree. Both have my FI bikes have run just as well as my carbed
    ones. The CPU in the GSXR is more powerful than the desktop PC I
    bought in 1996.
    I think the days of user-serviceability on all areas of bikes are
    numbered. Especially electronic bits.
     
    Ben, Feb 14, 2004
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  7. Som

    Ben Guest

    Cats on cars I assume you mean? Why do they make a difference?
     
    Ben, Feb 14, 2004
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    Lozzo Guest

    Previously on ukrm, Ben said...
    I've never had a fuel injection problem on any of my bikes.
    I've never owned a fuel injection bike though.
     
    Lozzo, Feb 14, 2004
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  9. Som

    Catman Guest

    Well, cats are pretty much required on cars to pass emissions tests, not on
    bikes.

    AIUI although it is possible (and has been done) to make a carburated fuel
    system work sufficiently accurately to work with a cat, it's a damn site
    harde than using an FI system.
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    Catman, Feb 14, 2004
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  10. Nothing much if everything remains working as it should, but given the
    problems with air mass sensors and various other gubbins on car FI, I'd
    like bike FI to be user diagnoseable and repairable without it costing
    an arm and leg for necessary bits.

    I don't see it happening though. As time passes, systems like that
    become deliberately more complex and the manufacturers' unholy alliance
    with their respective dealers will make sure that diagnostic tools and
    spares will be unaffordable for the average Joe with just one FI bike.

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    Grimly Curmudgeon, Feb 15, 2004
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    deadmail Guest

    Well...

    The alternator stopped charging my car. Had a look at it and it became
    apparent that it was the brushes that were shot. Called a motorfactors
    and they said they didn't sell the brushes. I assumed this meant I'd
    have to buy a combined brush/regulator set. No. All I could get was a
    recon alternator.

    When I started fucking around with engines you could get brushes for
    anything.

    I ended up getting a set of brushes for a washing machine or similar and
    grinding them down with a dremel. They are reducing the number of
    user-servicable parts by design. Still vehicles are *so* much more
    reliable than they were.

    Who could release a bike with a bespoke holder for a spare set of plugs
    for when the ones in the bike oiled up these days?
     
    deadmail, Feb 15, 2004
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  12. wrote
    Ducati?
     
    steve auvache, Feb 15, 2004
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  13. Som

    deadmail Guest

    Yeah, good point.

    It's all Taylorism isn't it.
     
    deadmail, Feb 15, 2004
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  14. Som

    deadmail Guest

    That wouldn't be a bad idea.
     
    deadmail, Feb 15, 2004
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  15. Teddy Taylor?
    I pissed on his house, once.

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    Grimly Curmudgeon, Feb 15, 2004
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    deadmail Guest

    FW Taylor; management theory stuff. He did some work for Ford in the
    early days where they set up production lines.

    His thing was all about seperating men into craftsmen and drones.
    Basically he tried to deskill every task as far as possible so that it
    could be carried out by someone with minimal skills; and also a low
    wage.

    Course this is all based on memory of stuff done 20 years ago so it
    could well be wrong...
     
    deadmail, Feb 15, 2004
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    sweller Guest


    This is also the principle McDonalds (et al) work to. Hence there was no
    longer a need for capable chefs who could make or break a diner.

    What I can't remember, is who came first? As an extension to the
    original production line principle. The deskilling of the car industry
    or the fast food diners?
     
    sweller, Feb 15, 2004
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  18. Ah yes; I remember reading that sort of stuff years ago. Ruthless
    bastard who treated people as commodities and machines.
    Old Henry probably loved him.

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    Grimly Curmudgeon, Feb 15, 2004
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    Champ Guest

    Your argument is somewhat undermined by the fact that the bikes you've
    just listed appeared in the late 90s, some 15 years after BMW and
    Kawasaki went mainstream with FI
     
    Champ, Feb 17, 2004
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    Salad Dodger Guest

    Honda: GL1200SEi - 1987; RC45 - 1994
    Yamaha: GTS1000 - 1993

    Triumph? 2000?
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    Salad Dodger, Feb 17, 2004
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