Yet more Guzzi fettling

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Pip Luscher, Jun 10, 2007.

  1. Pip Luscher

    Pip Luscher Guest

    This is a tale of much faffing.

    I was running the Guzzi in last week after its engine rebuild and it
    was vibrating a bit at idle and surging a bit on light throttle,
    otherwise running quite well.

    Friday evening I balanced the throttles, which smoothed things out
    considerably. Now this should have been a ten-minute job, and that
    includes looking for the vac gauges. It wasn't was it? The bloody idle
    adjuster screw had seized and the flexi-drive had rusted through and
    snapped off, and it was now idling just a bit too fast.

    So, yesterday, off came the side panels, seat, tank, airbox and, after
    a bit of faffing, the throttle bodies. I sawed a slot into the screw,
    got it out (first time I've used an impact driver in *years*) and
    cleaned & lubed it. As a bonus I replaced the throttle cable, which
    was badly frayed.

    OK so far. All back together and at first, it seemed normal. Then I
    found that the revs were unstable and it began idling badly. Checking
    with the vac gauges, it was way out of balance and there now wasn't
    enough adjustment in the external screw adjuster to balance things.
    Arse.

    Once more, off came the side panels, the seat and the tank. Now I
    found that I'd disturbed the throttle butterflies during yesterday's
    fix, so I spent a merry hour anna half (broken only by a dash indoors
    to record MGP) setting the butterfly balance up. As I don't have a
    remote fuel tank, I did it very roughly on the starter motor. This is
    a coarse adjustment; the fine tuning is done with an air bleed screw.

    This time I didn't reassemble everything, having eventually learned my
    lesson (I'm a slow learner), but the throttle balance was about right.
    Some fine tuning and... the revs still took way too long to settle
    after blipping the throttle. Bugger.

    Now it looked like it was running lean at idle. Rather than use a
    Colortune I decided to dust off my ancient CO analyzer. Mucho more
    faffing ensued, partly due to the fact that the CO meter readings
    wander all over the place; setting it up and using it are an exercise
    in patience and you need to check it hasn't drifted out of calibration
    after taking readings, too. It usually does. I eventually decided that
    the bike *was* running lean. Twiddling the idle mix screw on the ECU
    didn't fix it, so I started playing around with the TPS position.
    Oddly, I eventually ended up with the TPS adjustment very near where I
    started out, but now the mixture's about right, i.e. rather richer
    than Guzzi specify.

    Today I *was* going to take off the pannier frames and repaint them
    before they fall apart from rust, but that'll have to wait.

    My back aches from bending over the bike and my hands are sore from
    twiddling things in hot confined spaces and catching them on sharp
    edges, but it is done. Maybe, just maybe, that'll be it now.
     
    Pip Luscher, Jun 10, 2007
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  2. Pip Luscher

    sweller Guest

    On my T3 balancing the throttles makes no sense at all. I spend ages
    fucking about with the throttle stop screws after getting the cables to
    operate uniformly. Gauges work totally opposite then suddenly seem to
    match. No idea why.

    The bike is so loud and I work in an enclosed courtyard surrounded by
    flats that one Sunday morning I had an empty milk bottle thrown at me. I
    now take it out on to the Downs to balance the carbs.

    I tend to only do it every 1000-2000 miles.

    Other bikes I've done have been no bother but the Guzzi is an arse.
     
    sweller, Jun 10, 2007
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  3. Pip Luscher

    Pip Luscher Guest

    I've never had problems balancing the throttles, and it does make a
    significant difference on the Quota. What *has* been a PITA is idle
    mixture; I can piss about for absolutely ages and seemingly end up
    with everything pretty much as I started out, but it's then sorted.
    This weekend's fettling, from that POV, was nothing special.
    Heh. If you *will* run loud pipes...
    Fortunately my Quota seems to be pretty good in that regard; I can't
    remember the last time I felt the need to balance the throttles, which
    is probably why the idle screw seized.
     
    Pip Luscher, Jun 10, 2007
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  4. This might help:

    On my ShiteOldBoxer carb balancing took a minute.

    Disconnect one plug lead.
    Set the tickover at 400rpm or whatever it just doesn't stall at with the
    active carb.
    Repeat for other side.

    With both leads on turn down tickover screws if necessary by a ballhair.
    It often wasn't necessary, as the combined tickover was usually spot on.

    Sorted.

    Of course, it was nice to set the thing up properly with the gauges, but
    the above procedure worked well when miles from home and some roughness
    developed.
    --
    Dave
    GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

    Teach a man to fish and he and his pikey mates will have the
    river cleaned out in a day.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Jun 12, 2007
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  5. Done this and it works. Not quite as well as using tools but If you
    have a good ear it is possible to get them close enough by this method.
    If you have a fabulous ear you can get them spot on and even get them
    pretty good with 4 cylinders.
     
    steve auvache, Jun 12, 2007
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  6. True - CBs don't care about disconnected bits. I must say, the lack of
    eleccy nition wasn't a problem on that old heap, but it might have been
    nice to see what difference it made to economy in its ultimate
    configuration.
    --
    Dave
    GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

    Teach a man to fish and he and his pikey mates will have the
    river cleaned out in a day.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Jun 12, 2007
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