Yet another car question

One of the things I like about owning a Saab is that it's very
diffcult for people to 'judge' you on it.

ok ok already. I shall.

 

The 210 and 225 bhp versions had a larger turbo to get the extra power as
well as some stronger components , but the 180 will quite happily cope with
235bhp while otherwise completely standard.
A friend did have a piston choose an alternative route to the more
conventional up/down , but that was at 130k miles in two and a half years
including at least half a dozen track days a year. His was more heavily
modified than just a remap ( I think close to 250 bhp)


--
Alex

YZF 600

"I laugh in the face of danger"

"Then I hide until it goes away"

www.upce.org.uk
www.drzoidberg.co.uk

 

West Mids use quite a few of them now , marked and unmarked.

4 actually.
Black , Red , Yellow and Silver.

--
Alex

YZF 600

"I laugh in the face of danger"

"Then I hide until it goes away"

www.upce.org.uk
www.drzoidberg.co.uk

 

SteveH says...

But the floorpan is different from the B post back too, the Bora is
longer bumper to bumper than the Golf. Sure they share the same
wheelbase, but the saloon is different in floorpan and body from the B
post backwards. Having ripped the rear seats from all of them and seen
the differences with my own eyes I can comment on this.

 

Yes, Lozzo, whatever you say.

I think you need to go away and do some reading on the subject.

 

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/olympus/c2000z_review/images/races05.jpg
http://www.web-cars.com/miura/blue.html
http://www-users.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de/~inad/Lancia/lancia_stratos_open.jpg
http://www.whatodo.ru/bestcars/cars/bmw/m1/b3.jpg
http://www.lynxmotors.co.uk/lynxxkss.htm
http://www.renault.fm.interia.pl/renault/alpine/k2.jpg
http://www.andersonguitars.com/customcontent/Inca Silver-Corvette.jpg
http://www.michaelp.org/photos/pebble2000/laguna/maserati_khamsin_rear.jpg

....etc

 

SteveH says...

My saving grace is that I can, will and have looked for myself, rather
than contend with reading someone elses view on things.

Having had the chance to work on all the cars you mention and see the
differences with my own eyes, I know exactly what I'm on about. I know
it's a far cry from being able to sack people for dunking mobile phone
batteries in coffee, but hey, it keeps me happy.

When was the last time you personally had an Audi A4, or A6, VW Passat
or Golf with the interior seating spread across your workshop so you
could actually see the differences in the floorpans first hand? I think
I could probably list around 70 to 80 occasions when I had the
opportunity.

 

VW themselves say:

' Based on the same A platform that has produced the Golf, Beetle and
Audi's TT VW, chiefs are at pains to point out that the Bora is more
than just a Golf with a boot.

Shared components include front and rear axles, brakes, steering, fuel
tanks, wheels and tyres, floorpan, beams and bumpers, but the body has
been made stiffer. '

In what way is that not a shared floorpan with a Golf MkIV?

 

"Any colour you like, as long as it's red-shifted..."

 

Having just had a look myself I think Steve is looking at this a bit too
simply, there are several cars *BASED* on the same floor pan, but that's
not the same as having exactly the same floor pan down to individual
mounting points. Or in the case of the Bora the floor plan being
extended beyond the length of the standard golf one. [1]

In the same way one can say the honda X11 is based on the blackbird,
because it shares about 95% of the components. Bet you can't fit a
blackbird fairing straight onto it though.

The fact all the cars share core common elements like mounting points
for suspension, engine, etc. then they are modified befond that to fit a
specific requirement is just common sense in manufacturing and keeps the
amount of tooling and setting up to a minimum.



[1] Feel free to check the web Steve, that's where I read it.. it's an
Extended .

 

In that it's "based on", but not "identical".

HTH

 

Which part of 'shared components include........ floorpan' are you
having problems with?

 

SteveH says...

I'll tell you what Steve, if you manage to get a Bora body on a standard
unmodified Golf floorpan without about a foot of body overhanging the
rear of the Golf floorpan, then I'll buy the fucking car off you for
three times its market value. How's that? They are very different from B
post back, that is not what I would call sharing a platform.

Now, there's another thing to question. why do you insist on saying the
Octavia, which shares a very similar body shape with the Bora, is the
same as a Golf. I'll just quote from above where you posted that "VW
chiefs are at pains to point out that the Bora is more than just a Golf
with a boot".

I see you dodged my question about whether you've actually seen any of
these cars stripped with your own eyes. Why am I not surprised.

 

*sigh*

You seem to be confusing floorpans with bodywork.

 

SteveH says...

*sigh*

You seem to be bereft of a clue.

I am referring to floorpans, Steve, the bits under the seats that go
from front to back. I know the differences having worked on car seating
for many years while you were telling Sharon to go to checkout number 4.
When the seats are out of a car, you see all the differences below them.
Floorpans run from bulkhead to rear bumper. A Bora is a longer car than
a Golf from bumper to bumper.

I see you're still dodging the question about whether you've had any of
these cars apart yourself. When you've got the necessary experience I'll
listen to your opinions. What limited experience you have seems to run
to alot of reading about cars, yet you are completely clueless when it
comes to working on them.

 

What about the Seat versions - Leon Cupra R which comes in 180 and 225
bhp flavours?

 

SteveH emerged from their own little world to say

I think Ginge & Lozzo have a better grip of the way modern production
works, Steve.

You are interpreting the word "floorpan" too literally. For VAG it is
the "base floorpan" which is common too all models. They will design
that base floorplan to accept various added value [1] sub-assemblies to
increase the model range. These subs will be things like an extension
for the Bora that Lozzo mentions. I would imagine that there will be
options to add other bits and pieces too such as the stiffening that
Ginge mentioned.

We did a very similar thing with electronics at Xerox. One common bare
printed circuit board which we populated according to the depth of the
customer's pocket.

[1] you should understand this term working in retail

 

The stiffening comes from the 4-door shell, rather than the hatch. It's
a known fact that a saloon is stiffer than an equivalent hatch. With a 5
door hatch being stiffer than a 3 door.

The wheelbase is the same, the front and rear tracks are the same and
the bodies are an identical width. Even the height only differs by 2mm.

Is that similar enough for you?

Yes, there are modifications - namely the extended boot floor behind the
rear axle.

 

The only difference is a bit of metal grafted into the boot floor.

Track, wheelbase are identical.

It seems you only think you know as much as you do.

Tell me about the naturally aspirated turbocharged car again.

 

Is that in VW's words or just a journalists?

The "A4 Platform" is the basic chassis design for the Golf, Jetta
(Bora), Beetle, Audi A3 and Audi TT, however the floorpans of these
vehicles are not 100% identical, the TT for example is several inches
shorter and the Bora is longer.

Likewise the Passat And Audi A4 are built on the "B Platform"