Yes, but is it art?

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by ogden, Jan 14, 2009.

  1. ogden

    Veggie Dave Guest

    It really doesn't matter of the idea was original or not - if the final
    piece of art is good, then it's good.
    Originality, imagination, talent, it all comes from the artist and
    cannot be taught except in a truly cynical, false way.

    If someone has talent then you can help them with their technique but
    that's all. If you have to tell them how to be original, open-minded
    etc. then all they'll ever do is produce material based on how they've
    been taught to be original and open-minded ... just like everyone else
    taught by that person.

    The conscious search for originality for the sake of being original is
    folie. If you have a good idea, follow where that idea takes you, which
    leads to a great final finished item, then it really doesn't matter if
    it's original or not - although, chances are it will at least contain a
    certain amount of originality. What's important, though, is the quality
    of what you've created.

    A couple of years ago I had a girlfriend who was sexually very
    open-minded and always wanted to do something new. Now, if you're of an
    experimental nature then this probably sounds like she's the perfect
    woman. Except her attitude to sex is the same as a modern artist's
    attitude to art.

    The sex wasn't about the pursuit of sexual pleasure but about the
    pursuit of sexual originality. This meant that, for most of the time,
    the sex was original but mechanical. It was original but lacked passion,
    pleasure, beauty. Occasionally, originality and passion and pleasure
    would meet, and that was great, but it was rare.

    Modern art is the same thing.

    --
    Veggie Dave
    http://www.iq18films.co.uk

    "To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim
    that Jesus was not born of a virgin." Cardinal Bellarmine
     
    Veggie Dave, Jan 19, 2009
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  2. Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, ogden
    You refer to Roy Cross, I believe.

    You fucking philistine.
     
    Wicked Uncle Nigel, Jan 22, 2009
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  3. ogden

    ogden Guest

    Actually, on reflection, I'd quite like to see one of spitfires flying
    over battleships at Jutland. Preferably with added melting clocks.
     
    ogden, Jan 22, 2009
  4. ogden

    ogden Guest

    That'll be one for the net.
     
    ogden, Jan 22, 2009
  5. Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, ogden
    Shouldn't be a problem. White phosphorus was still legal then, IIRC.
     
    Wicked Uncle Nigel, Jan 22, 2009
  6. ogden

    boots Guest

    Still is, only against civilian targets is it's used proscribed by the
    geneva convention and then only if the user country has signed it.
     
    boots, Jan 22, 2009
  7. ogden

    dog Guest

    we certainly don't have any white phosphorus these days, no adon. barux hashem.
     
    dog, Jan 22, 2009
  8. Those bastards on the trawlers, eh?
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Jan 22, 2009
  9. ogden

    Champ Guest

    Has Israel not signed it, then?
     
    Champ, Jan 22, 2009
  10. ogden

    ogden Guest

    Geneva Convention, yes.
    Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons (annex to GC), no.

    But they're still bound by the section of the GC that relates to
    protection of civilians, hence the cries of 'war crimes'.
     
    ogden, Jan 22, 2009
  11. ogden

    boots Guest

    As far as I could find out, very few have signed the bit about WP
    being used as a weapon. As Ogden says it's an annex to the original
    convention.
     
    boots, Jan 22, 2009
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