Yay!

On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 21:34:34 +0100,

Believe me, *nothing* compares to bikes with the wiring loom running
*over* the top yoke, and a self-canceling indicator wiring down the
centre of the steering stem.

Oh, and a big sod-off fairing obstructing 85% of potential access.
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Actually, I think bikes will be the acid test of the road pricing. If

So: No Road Tax for all bikes, along with drastically
cheaper petrol (no fuel duty) and exemption from road
pricing...?

Either we're about to enter a new golden age of bargain
motorcycling or we're going to be royally shafted over.

Experience would lead me to favour the regal shafting
scenario as the most likely outcome.

 

Based on what evidence?

 

Boggle.

 

Off the top of my head:

Freezing of the rolling classic tax exemption.
The fuel duty escalator.
Proliferation of Gatso cameras.
Insurance tax.

Bend over and take it like a good taxpayer.

 

That was a sensible move because M reg Morris Marinas were suddenly
gaining value in expectation of them becoming tax exempt. It it had
continued there would have been a lot more scabby old Vauxhall Chevettes
on the road today.

The exemption was for classic cars not old heaps of shit. As it happens
the cut off date is quite good as it essentially ties in with the black
number plates.

The Government is committed to reduce CO2 emissions and car use. So how
would you do it?

Believe it or not this is not a tax.

Somehow I sense you're scraping the bottom of the barrel and this doesn't
come under my definition of "regal shafting" but, yes, I'd prefer to see
the revenue raised through direct taxation, say, income tax.

 

This was a good move, actually. It does rather shaft the owners of
post-1972 classics, but the sums involved are so small anyway.

That was canned. I played a part in that, I'm proud to say.

Not limited just to vehicles

Agreed.

 

no it's not, it a fucking pile of wank. My bike is identical in design to a
1972 one and yet 'cos it's 1974, it isn't tax-exempt. Brown is a **** of
the first water.

to be fair, he didn't invent the fule-duty escalator, but he kept on using
it.

and now, of course, someone with a 1974 marina (and BTW, just how many 1974
cars are there still on the road, ****-all, apart from collectors and
enthusiasts) but anyway, there are people faking 'em back to 1972. Same for
land rovers, etc etc.

If I happened across a scrap '72 boxer, I could do the same for my bike.
Not that I would, I'm one of them people who happens to believe in playing
by the rules, but that's not the point.


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So you're saying a 1980 Ford Escort MkIII is a classic?

If the rolling year was 30 or 40 years then it'd still have a point. The
problem was under the old system old heaps of shit were retaining value
simply because they no longer (or very shortly) needed taxing not because
they had any classic merit.

I can see it being a pisser if you just fell outside the cutoff.

 

You really want to know? Re-introduce new car tax at Danish
levels. If you have *any* idea about the energy required in
the production and manufacture of new vehicles & their
component raw materials you'd realise that using old
vehicles far beyond their design life far outweighs any
advances in emission reduction inherent in newer vehicles.

Never said it was. Whilst we're being a pedant, neither is
fuel duty.

No, but the 1979 Mk2 was. 'Specially the 2-door estate.
Shame it doesn't qualify whilst crap like the early Cortinas do.

One man's classic is anothers heap of shite. I'd rather use
a classic for what it was built for (crap brakes, handling
and all) rather than w*nk over a concours resto in the
garage & ride a CBR600 etc. during the week. Keeping an
older vehicle on the roads takes a degree of mechanical
aptitude which precludes "old heaps of shit" from remaining
roadworthy for very long. Even old vehicles have to pass
MoT tests.


Point of the original post was: The Government will seek to
maximise revenues whenever possible, unless political
expediency (read: fallout from voters) dictates otherwise.

 

well, maybe. Not many left. what about a 1980 honda? which honda was
current in 1980...CX, probably

yebbut, no-one's gonna pay loads of money in MOTs and repairs and hunting
obsolete spares to drive an old heap unless they're an enthusiast. I had a
1978 Marina, in about 1986. It wasn't a 'specially good car then.

too right. Only good thing about it is that it's a 600, and thus only costs
45 quid to tax now.
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To be fair, that's probably what people were saying about the MkI Escort
in 1985.

I'd say, for example, an Alfetta GTV is a classic (you certainly
wouldn't use one every day), but it wouldn't qualify for tax exemption -
however, a Bertone GTV, for some of it's life would.

 

They could vastly reduce CO2 emissions by not waffling on, pointlessly,
all the time......
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By changing to clean fuels, but that would require industry co-operation
and large scale industry owns and runs the UK and EU governments in this
respect.

'Hog

 

This, I already know.

I've known it for yonks, but kept shtum because folk would call me a
conspiracy theorist then point and laugh. ;-)
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Fr Jack
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I'll see your loom-over-the-yoke-and-wiring-down-the-stem and raise
you a
front-brake-pipe-through-the-steering-stem-with-banjo-bolts-at-each-end

 

You don't want to start this kind of pissing contest against a GL1500
owner. I *will* win, if only on sheer quantity of stupid bloody
arrangements.

That said, yours is a corker.

<considers laying down "steel-to-hose-brake-pipe-joint,
on-top-of-swing-arm-cross-piece-under-reg/rec, behind-wheel card>

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_/_____\_ GL1500SEV/CBR1100XXX/KH500A8/TS250C
|_\_____/_| ..75830../..18846.../..3214./.19406
(>|_|_|<) TPPFATUICG#7 DIAABTCOD#9 YTC#4 PM#5
|__|_|__| BOTAFOT #70 BOTAFOF #09 two#11 WG*
\ |^| / IbW#0 & KotIbW# BotTOS#6 GP#4
\|^|/ ANORAK#17 IbB#4
'^' RBR Landmarks: 24 Pts: 400 Miles: 1589

 

*splutter*

 

I just discovered that to adjust the rear brake light switch on the
R100RS mono I shall have to remove the rear wheel and swinging arm
*sigh* they needed painting anyway

'Hog

 

OMG I've had this one, can't remember what bike it was though??

'Hog