[QUOTE] Yeah, that's true. But:- 1. There was a lot less traffic on the roads back then.[/QUOTE] Are there more accidents involving bikes now pro-rata than back then as well, bearing in mind things like, as others have mentioned, bikes have improved in most other ways as well as the sheer power they knock out. And then there's the fact that whereas all one had to do in your day was to avoid the man clutching a clipboard jumping out from behind a hedge in order to get a full licence, nowadays you need to be far more financially committed to biking if you want to ride the bigger stuff - whereas you used to be able to just jump on a 250 with L-plates with no training, you have to go through CBT and DAS to jump on a 'Cat these days. Go back even further, and whilst there was less traffic on the roads, there never used to be a DD limit and I believe it was the norm to mutter 'I've only had four pints' before driving home. [QUOTE] 2. It's the sheer power and acceleration of bikes like the 'Cat that catch out a newbie. Nothing, but nothing, certainly no car this side of a topline Ferrari or similar, can prepare a newbie for the way something like that goes.[/QUOTE] Rubbish. The terminally stupid will always be terminally stupid and overdo it, be it lobbing a moped or bike away, or lobbing a car into a tree. Have you got any stats that show that newbies on sports 600s have more accidents than those who started off in the 70s and 80s on 250s? [QUOTE] The usual scenario seems to be: "Fuck! Jesus! Hell! A corner. jam on brakes...."[/QUOTE] Yes, I had this on the ex Barry Richards GS500 I launched along a straight that actually turned out to be a corner, just after I passed my test. I reckon I'd have faired just as well, if not better, on something like a 'cat, or my usual choice of steed back then, a CBR600. [QUOTE] CRUNCH.[/QUOTE] I didn't have this though... :-)