[QUOTE="Ace"] Bullshit.[/QUOTE] You're both right, & both wrong. You can't compare 4wd & 2wd without specifying a load of other stuff that makes all the difference. LSDs, traction control, stability control, weight, width of tyres, type of snow (hard-packed, hard-packed with fresh on top, deep & fresh) etc etc. [QUOTE] You might be able to get up hills, but you'd still slide off on the corners.[/QUOTE] On a trailing or light throttle, lateral grip's more down to weight than anything else. So a Vitara will likely be better than one of the big 2wd executive saloons. Add in some throttle & again you have to take all the other variables into account.