WTD: clear plastic gas tank

Discussion in 'Motorbike Technical Discussion' started by orange, Oct 6, 2005.

  1. orange

    orange Guest

    Any out there?
    Needed to fit on an old Suzuki enduro
    Thanks
    Greg
     
    orange, Oct 6, 2005
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    Richard Guest

    I don't know anything, but I wonder whether direct sunlight would break down
    or otherwise affect gasoline at all.

    Richard
    05 VN1500 Classic Fi
     
    Richard, Oct 6, 2005
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  3. How old is "old"? The Chaparral catalog shows Acerbis and IMS plastic
    tanks going back to the mid-1980's...
     
    krusty kritter, Oct 6, 2005
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  4. Nice thought! No idea.

    I *do* know that you can microwave petrol with no ill effects, though.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Oct 10, 2005
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    Charlie Gary Guest

    Please reassure us there was a paycheck involved in learning that.
     
    Charlie Gary, Oct 10, 2005
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  6. Nope. The question arose on ukrm a year or two ago, because apparently
    the molecules in petrol mean it doesn't get hot when m/waved[1]. So a
    couple of resident lunatics, armed with an old microwave, a generator
    for powering same, and a wide open space, tried it for real.

    And it's true. It doesn't get hot. Strange.


    [1] IANA chemist or fizzy cyst, but you know what I mean.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Oct 10, 2005
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    Charlie Gary Guest

    Well, as long as the extension cord is long enough....:)

    I wonder what you get if you microwave gas with ethanol mixed in?

    Later,

    Charlie
     
    Charlie Gary, Oct 10, 2005
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    badaztek Guest

    should have put it in an aluminum pie pan ,but probably why it didnt
    ignite is probably it got cooler ,you'll notice that if you ever got
    gasoline spilled on your hand that it cooled your skin as it evaporated
    ,and another thing crazy about gasoline is in its full liquid form it
    rarely ignites
    the danger comes from the fumes ,a guy told me one time some buddies
    tried to take a 5 gallon metal gas can (military style) years ago filled
    it with gas and took it an empty field where him and his buddies shot at
    it with rifles nothing happened ,so to say they were disappointed well
    one of their dads showed up right then and asked what they were doing
    they told him and he said well wait about an hour and leave it out there
    and come back and try it then ,well they did and on the first shot the
    can blew itself in half ,it seems that as the gas had leaked out it left
    an empty space where the fumes filled it in
    and when they shot into it the second time it ignited the fumes .
    that is also why you cant start an engine when you flood it and why you
    have to wait awhile before trying to start it again
    I apologize if this was long winded
     
    badaztek, Oct 11, 2005
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  9. (badaztek) wrote in 3215.bay.webtv.net:
    You are correct. Gas fumes burn, the liquid does not.

    pierce
     
    R. Pierce Butler, Oct 11, 2005
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  10. Wrong.

    There's a chemical reason, a molecular reason. There's something out
    there on the web about it but ICBA to google for it.

    You are right about the fumes being the tricky bit, though.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Oct 11, 2005
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  11. (The Older Gentleman) wrote in
    Off the top of my head:

    Microwave ovens emit a very select frequency of photons. Only molecules
    that have modes of excitation that match this frequency are heated by
    these "microwave" photons. IIRC, microwave ovens are tuned to
    frequencies that heat water. It seems entirely possible that gasoline
    wouldn't have any modes of excitation around those frequencies.
     
    Michael J. Freeman, Oct 11, 2005
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  12. Eh, it was a SWAG. Apparently I was wrong.
     
    Michael J. Freeman, Oct 11, 2005
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  13. <Googles for Olson errors>

    <trips binary filter>
     
    The Older Gentleman, Oct 11, 2005
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  14. No photons emitted in a microwave.

    The light bulb inside does but not the magnetron.

    pierce
     
    R. Pierce Butler, Oct 11, 2005
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  15. All electromagnetic radiation involves photons, including microwaves. Or
    are you claiming that a microwave oven uses a neutron-beam or something?
     
    Michael J. Freeman, Oct 14, 2005
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  16. Cites please!

    pierce
     
    R. Pierce Butler, Oct 14, 2005
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  17. I think you are correct by definition. However most people consider a
    photon a particle or packet of light.

    Wikidepia says this:

    Photons are commonly associated with visible light, but this is actually
    only a very limited part of the electromagnetic spectrum. All
    electromagnetic radiation is quantized as photons: that is, the smallest
    amount of electromagnetic radiation that can exist is one photon, whatever
    its wavelength, frequency, energy, or momentum. Photons are fundamental
    particles. They can be created and destroyed when interacting with other
    particles, but are not known to decay on their own.

    pierce
     
    R. Pierce Butler, Oct 14, 2005
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    Ed Cregger Guest

    Yeah, but when you think about it, this whole wave/particle duality thing is
    just a construct that we humans fabricated in order to visualize what is
    occurring. It has nothing to do with the way things really are. It is even
    possible that it is entirely wrong, but just happens to conveniently work
    for our present level of understanding.

    What happens when sentient computers design better computers that are able
    to perceive such phenomena directly, without the use of imaginary tools,
    which we humans rely upon to manipulate such things?

    Ed Cregger
     
    Ed Cregger, Oct 14, 2005
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  19. Ed,

    Philosophy never was my strong suit. I will be happy when the develop the
    direct to brain interface. One could go from functional idiot Phd in
    minutes or less.

    pierce
     
    R. Pierce Butler, Oct 14, 2005
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  20. "Most" people? Did you take a poll?

    Just admit you were mistaken and move on.
     
    Michael J. Freeman, Oct 15, 2005
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