Wrong fine?

Hi.

I just got fined (yes on a Sunday) for:

Fail to comply with notice in public place. Offence code: 8646.

Have a look at the pic: http://ray1.net/ipb.jpg

Shouldn't I have been fined for something else, like stopping in a no
stopping area?
Or parking on the side walk?

Does any one know how much the "stopping in a no stopping area" fine
would be?

Anyway I can get away with it??

Thanks.

 

Here is another pic: http://ray1.net/ipb2.jpg
The "notice" inbetween the "No Entry" and "No Stopping" says:
No unauthorized vehicles
No drinking
I think No littering

Thanks again.

 

this is unusual?

Well if you can convince the Magistrate that where you are parked is
NOT the area the signage refers to you'll be fine. That is, the 'No
Stopping' refers to the roadway, which you arent parked on. However
I'd check first that the sign doesnt also apply to footpaths. If it
does, you done wrong.

paulh

 

It depends on the local council as well as the state laws pertaining to
vehicles parking on walkways and footpaths.. But I would say you have an up
hill battle getting out of this one! Go to your state government web site
and look up the legislation,, could be a lengthy task or you could try the
Austria database http://www.austlii.edu.au/

 

Yes, is there a notice saying "no parking on footpath"?

The No Stopping would only apply if you were on the roadway.

 

If you're in Victoria I'd reckon you've got a case.
Any other state and you're up-shit.

 

Actually I think even in Victoria you'll find that the no standing
signpost is not restricted to the roadway and is applicable to the
footpath or nature strip there as well... but in the case at hand, I
think that the "no unauthorised vehicles" section of the notice has been
enforced. Because the notice obviously applies to the bricked area of a
pedestrian mall, and he is parked on the bricked area, I'd think that
the correct infringement notice was issued.

Nev..
'04 CBR1100XX

 

Your best bet is to go an unscrew the no stopping sign then take another
identical photo for the court.
You'll be surprised what you can do if there is no sign there telling you
not to do it

 

.... and creating a nuisance?

-----sharks

 

That's quite clearly the northern end of Victor Street,
Chatswood in Sydney, NSW, So I guess that puts him up shit!

The No Stopping sign refers to the roadway in this instance.
That street (obviously) terminates right there, and the last
twenty-odd metres on all sides is marked as a "No Stopping"
zone.

(In the minds of most, exemptions seem to exist for dropping
grandma off at the mall and dashing into the post office
that is on the other side of that street. Chatswood is Sydney's
second Chinatown, so there's also plenty of scope for forgetting
how to speak English (and "you discriminate me") if challenged
in that location.)

I tend to agree. NSW has a (pretty dodgy in my view) "Self
Enforcement Infringement Notice System". It's pretty hard to
tell by looking at the ticket, 'cos the collection is done
by the State Infringement Processing Bureau, but the infringement
was more than likely issued by local council rangers. It
means that you get literally thousands of barely trained
mouthbreathing monkeys slapping tickets on anything that
stands still without any form of accountability or responsibility
for their actions.

Since the new Willoughby Council chambers have line-of-sight
vision to where that motorcycle is parked, I wouldn't be too
surprised if the doorman stepped down from his post for a minute
and rushed across the road to issue the infringement notice!!!
Willoughby Council doesn't have a reputation for the degree of
unaccountable mouthbreathedness in their rangers in the way that,
say, Waverly Council or North Sydney Council does. To the best
of my knowledge they don't pay bonuses to rangers who issue
lots fo tickets the way that City of Sydney Council does either.
As councils go, Willoughby is relatively benign (but only in
the sense that some dodgy-enough-to-run-for-office-in-the-first-
place creeps are more benign than others)


Given that there is a (free) council car park at the intersection
of that street and Albert Ave (50m to the rear of the bike as
pictured) that pretty much always has bike-sized space available,
a 3-hours-free-per-vehicle-per-day shopping centre car park on the
same intersection and another free-with-purchase shopping centre
car park about 15m away from where the bike is parked on the same
street, I can't see the point of risking parking a vehicle in front
of a "don't park vehicles here" in that particular location. What
do you save, a two minute walk at best?

Some pictures (zoom in one level makes it a bit clearer)

Bike is parked here:
<http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=-33.7970,+151.1824&t=k&om=1>

Free-with-Purchase Shopping Centre car park here:
<http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=-33.797632,151.182593&t=k&om=1>

Council parking here: (I usually park in there)
<http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=-33.798532,151.182797&t=k&om=1>

Shopping centre car park here (3hr free):
<http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=-33.798363,151.183269&t=k&om=1>


I suppose the OP *could* have gotten away with it, but he didn't.
I've never seen a bike parked there. I wouldn't park my bike there.

GB

 

....and they all got up and came back over to my side of the jail-cell...

 

Woops,,m,That should say AUSTRALIA,,, not Austria,,,,,,(mental note,,,drink
a little less

 

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'bench'

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Thank you all for your replies.

GB: You are right on all counts. I know I did wrong, but I want to be
fined for the wrong I really did. I went to DJ's for 5 minutes... came
out and caught the bastard putting the ticket on my bike... I didn't
say anything cos he was still writing something and I figured better to
just get out of there.

Yes I agree I should have used the free parking, but u know how it is
sometimes... 2 minute walk can seem unnecessary.

I too believe he was issuing the ticket in regard to the Chatswood
council notice on the column, but that should only apply to the main
plaza beyond that point... in my opinion.

Any advice appreciated.

 

Damn!

 

In Victoria I believe you can park on any footpath as long as you don't park
in the entrance court of a building, against a building blocking access for
the blind as they use buildings as a reference, do not impede access to
motor vehicles, do not impede pedestrian thoroughfare and don't park next to
a disabled parking spot. I believe all other areas are fine at least I have
not been booked parking on footpaths next to No Standing sign in the last 23
years.

 

Looks like they can't get you for No Stopping since you're on the
footpath. Perhaps they're saying you didn't comply with the No Entry sign.

You're unlikely to get away with it. Easier and cheaper to cop it sweet.
Probably just a fine and no points.

The fine for breaching a No Stopping is pretty fierce if I remember
correctly.

 

blah blah blah... are you still going on about this...

Nev..
'04 CBR1100XX

 

But have you rehabilitated yourself?

 

wrote in @y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:

Uhm, do you want me to rub it in some more. DJ's is a fifteen
minute walk from where you parked your bike, and there's free
rooftop parking (don't enter from the Victoria St gate though,
'cos the whassnames under the boom gates won't detect a bike)
1 minute's walk from the DJ's front door.

Or did you mean GB's (no pun intended!)


[...]

It works like this: Since the self enforcement bullshit scheme
came in, the councils have arranged themselves a nice little
earner. They like that earner very much thank-you, and they're
quite happy to fight to keep it.

As I said earlier, I've not heard any noise about Willoughby
Council (where you got done) but I do know that some, Manly
for example, are prepared to fight very-bloody-hard to keep
their little rort 'legitimised'.

Manly like it so much that they'll bring in a top-flight
barrister to deal with every challenge to a sixty dollar
parking ticket. Standard practice amongst defence solicitors
and and even Magistrates at Manly Local Court is to advise
the punters to shut up and pay the fine - it's the lesser,
and cheaper, of two quite nasty evils. If the punter goes on
to fight the fine, the $250/day solicitor doesn't stand a
chance of talking his way out from under the mountain of
shit that the $2000/day barrister will generate, and so the
punter gets landed with his solicitor's bill, the barrister's
bill, whatever 'costs' the council dreams up on top of that,
and he still has to pay the sixty dollar parking fine. It's
not right, it's not fair, everyone in the system sees that
and knows that (that's why even magistrates openly advise
punters to go outside for twenty minutes and consider their
solicitor's advice very carefully before proceeding), but
ultimately, what the Councils are doing is legal, and they
really cannot be stopped.

The problem as the Councils see it is that once one punter
manages to get a sixty dollar parking ticket overturned,
there'll be a flood of challenges citing the first one as
a precedent. Once that happens, their little rort is
cracked wide open, and they need to find a new way to cover
up what is inherently a corporate financial management (or
lack thereof) problem. The fuckers can't manage finances
to save themselves, so they're forever looking for new and
exciting ways to extract cash from the punters.

So, the bottom line has absolutely nothing to do with
wrong or right. You have an authority who has figured out a
nice little income stream, and they're prepared to fight
to keep it.


My position on the situation runs a bit like this: You
just got a sixty dollar fine. Pay it. Then head over to
the Bunnings in Artarmon. They sell a cheap clone of
'Selleys Space Invaders' (an expanding insulating foam
in an aerosol tin) for about four bucks a can. Make
sure you get the pointy nozzle that's about the width of
a coin slot with it...

The way I look at it, it's gonna cost the Council at
least sixty four dollars in labour costs alone to clean a
tin of space invaders out of one of those new-fangled
electronic parking meters, and it's my view that if it
cost them more to collect the fine than they made out
of the fine, then you won.

(For extra bonus points, piss them about for a few months
with a bit of letter writing campaign. You won't ever
get off the fine, but you will help keep their costs up!)


GB