[QUOTE] You really need them if you don't want to wear winter gloves and carry multiple pairs. Even on the BMW K series (which has a fantastic fairing whatever Lozzo says; ignore him anyway his mind's been rotted by sniffing silkolene 2T fumes) your gloves will get wet. Bar muffs, once you're used to them are a fantastic piece of kit, they keep your hands dry and out of the wind. Admittedly they aren't the most stylish of things but one of my sets (er... I have three...) says "Oxford Sports" so that's added 10mph to the bike. However if you're looking at stuff for commuting in shitty weather you'll need bar muffs, with a 50+ mile commute I'd also suggest heated grips- it's the setup I've been using for about four years and it really helps a lot.[/QUOTE] [snip, boorish bit] My current commute is only a puny 63 earth miles each way. Muffs and heated grips plus HG Goretex with pikey looking quilted zip ins (may be "Voyager") and Daytona Goretex boots do it for me on the 'Duc. This after a lifetime of wearing a one piece waterproof over leathers and fleeces and just gritting my teeth. The 'K' with heated grips and barndoor is even cosier. Waterproof gloves are rare. I have some made by Swift, that have kept my fingers dry for several years, but muffs or even waterproof overmitts are better. Plan your petrol stops for the end of your journey or you will be putting wet hands back into your gloves. That French outfit: Baglux make nice big muffs. Big drawback with muffs is that they press on your clutch at speed. Solution: either make a stay from 3mm steel rod and cable ties, or use trailie stylee 'brush guards' to keep them off your levers. What may be much more important is decent lights. Trying to maintain a decent speed on black tarmac, in the rain, is exhausting and frightening with normal 60/55W lights. I've got 130/90W in the BMW, but I'm not sure I trust the Duc' electrics with that current, so I run a 100/80W bulb. The Duc' doesn't have space for one of those dipping H4 HIDs, but it may be worth exploring with the K. I could get incandescant discussing bike reviews that pay no attention to lighting! Why does the seediest little cage have better lights than a motorcycle? Grr.