Will the karts upstage the MGP bikes at LS?

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Racing' started by Carl Sundquist, Jan 14, 2005.

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    [Lawson] set the Super Kart lap record at Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca in
    2003 - 1:23.875, an average speed of 100.864 mph. (As a point of reference,
    Troy Bayliss turned the fastest lap on a motorcycle at Laguna Seca when he
    road his Ducati around the circuit in 1:24.833 during the 2002 World
    Superbike Championship event.)
     
    Carl Sundquist, Jan 14, 2005
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  2. Carl Sundquist

    MeezerMan Guest

    No because karts/cars/trucks/bath tubs are boring to watch. They don't
    move or have english like the bikes do.

    A few years back we did a track day with the karts (split sessions) and
    I have to admit those little things ZIP around the corners at amazing
    speeds but after lap 4 it was old hat. Folks stuck around to watch the
    bikes though. Maybe they were looking for carnage but at least they
    watched.
     
    MeezerMan, Jan 14, 2005
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  3. It's not news that karts are deadly fast. When Westwood raceway still
    existed, I believe for some years karts held the outright lap record, it
    being a relatively short track with no F1s running about :).
     
    Ryan Cousineau, Jan 16, 2005
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  4. Carl Sundquist

    Will Hartung Guest

    Yup. F1 cars go stinky fast around MotoGP tracks and stomp them on overall
    lap times, but I don't watch F1 either. It is simply not interesting.

    The karts will make for great spectacle, watching the little cars with their
    tiny wheels and the shiny helmet headed drivers. But there is no fluid
    motion in 4 wheel racing. It is very inorganic. Watching the ribbon of bikes
    banking and diving and transitioning through the Corkscrew is a wonderful
    sight. Watching the bikes come off of the outside of the front straight at
    Fontana and seeing them dive into turn one, particularly last year with
    Erics booming Ducati resonating off the walls, brings visions of the
    maneuvers and passion during dogfights in the Battle of Britain and nothing
    so mundane as car racing.

    Car racing is the daily commute at twice the speed. Slot cars scaled up.
    Boxes trying to crowd out other boxes. Motorcycles move different, better, I
    think. They have more room to do things. You can see a determined rider, as
    a spectator you can see how their mood changes throughout the race, like a
    fighter in the ring. The fact that cars have people in them is a minor
    detail. It's the car that matters there. Motorcycle racing in a more human
    endeavor than mechanial.

    Regards,

    Will Hartung
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    Will Hartung, Jan 17, 2005
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    SNAFU Guest

    In this respect, it must be intersting to see karts (without
    suspensions, of course) negotiating the Corkscrew, with its
    "unflat" surface. Their chassis must bend and twist and flex!


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    SNAFU, Jan 18, 2005
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  6. I think you're overestimating how much slope change there is at any one
    place on the track.

    Firstly, note that while karts are suspensionless, they still have a
    squishy component that flexes with ease and would have no problems
    taking up small bumps and pavement irregularities: pneumatic tires.

    Second, yeah, the chassis probably does flex, but I think you're
    imagining _changes_ in slope and camber that are more dramatic than
    reality. When you are encountering those slope and camber changes at 100
    mph, it sure feels dramatic, but at any instant the kart is only
    subtending a few feet of track.

    What probably does cause the chassis to flex is major g-force loads,
    which would probably be most dramatic at the bottom of the corkscrew.
     
    Ryan Cousineau, Jan 29, 2005
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