why they don't see you

Discussion in 'Australian Motorcycles' started by Zebee Johnstone, Sep 21, 2009.

  1. http://www.howwedrive.com/2009/09/2...reventable-crashes-are-turned-into-accidents/

    "From the St. Louis Post-Dispatch:

    Police say Hunt told them shortly after the May 2 accident that she
    was applying red polish to her nails as she drove at about 50 mph
    toward an intersection and did not see motorcyclist Anita Zaffke until
    after she hit her.

    Zaffke, 56, who lived in Lake Zurich, was stopped at a traffic signal
    when she was struck."

    At least she saw the rider *after* the crash.

    the entry does go on to say "The driver, by the way, was charged with
    reckless homicide. "

    I wonder if that charge will stick. Probably no way of finding out.

    Zebee
     
    Zebee Johnstone, Sep 21, 2009
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  2. Sounds very much like she will get off

    Note the last sentence..
    They will try and get her off with this ploy


    ***
    Attorneys for Laura Hunt say at this point in time their client has only
    been cited for a traffic violation - failure to reduce speed to avoid an
    accident. They also say they will continue to be in contact with the Lake
    County state's attorney as the investigation continues.

    On Monday night at Hunt's home in Morris, there was no comment. But her
    attorney says she hasn't seen the police report and won't comment on whether
    her client was painting her nails while driving.

    "At this point, she is really distressed. There are some things she
    remembers and some things she doesn't. She is distraught over this," said
    Ragan Freitag, Hunt's attorney.





    """Freitag says Hunt is a mother of five and grandmother of six. When the
    accident happened, Hunt was driving from Wisconsin to Des Plaines to deliver
    a crib to a daughter who is about to give birth."""
     
    George W Frost, Sep 21, 2009
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  3. I reckon it will be plea bargained down to nothing. These sorts of situations
    there is no good outcome. Hunt will have live with the fact she killed
    someone. Regardless of punishment she is not going to drive and paint her
    nails again and it is not going to stop other airhead bimbos from doing it. It
    is a total piece of shit situation not least of all for Anita Zaffke and her
    family.

    Fraser
     
    Fraser Johnston, Sep 22, 2009
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  4. Zebee Johnstone

    Nev.. Guest

    Nope. Why'd did you let him do that? On ebay you can pick up compact
    139dB Nautilus Stebel airhorns for about $50. They can't fix poor
    roadcraft, but they can help soften the consequences (they give cows
    standing in the middle of the road something to think about too).

    Nev..
    '08 DL1000K8
     
    Nev.., Sep 22, 2009
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  5. Zebee Johnstone

    TimC Guest

    Yeah, but what do they do about geese? They're nasty fuckers, and
    horns just antagonise them.
     
    TimC, Sep 22, 2009
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  6. Zebee Johnstone

    Lars Chance Guest

    They must really get the shits when they see elk!
    LC.
     
    Lars Chance, Sep 22, 2009
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  7. Zebee Johnstone

    Yeebok Guest

    That's almost as good as the guy who followed beside me (me in left
    lane) for 1km then decided to merge left without indicating for no
    reason I could ascertain .. tho admittedly after that I was
    concentrating more on staying in the gutter and not hitting his door
    with my elbow than trying to come up with reasons other than plain old
    stupidity or laziness..
    Took about 10 minutes before my heart stopped going BADABADABADABADA in
    my chest..
    Sure we all have similar stories from the last month or so (depending
    who it is) tho.
     
    Yeebok, Sep 23, 2009
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  8. Zebee Johnstone

    theo Guest

    I have three waiting at the gate for me to come home. We used to have
    four but one got too aggressive with the front wheel of the ute.

    Theo
     
    theo, Sep 23, 2009
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  9. Zebee Johnstone

    Nev.. Guest

    www.recipesource.com

    Nev..
    '08 DL1000K8
     
    Nev.., Sep 23, 2009
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  10. Zebee Johnstone

    Nev.. Guest

    I remember in the early 90s in Melbourne, Swann Insurance used to run
    free rider training courses which were held out at the Police driver
    training centre in Mickleham and conducted by the VicPol motorcycle
    rider training dept. The chief motorcycle trainer asked the class, what
    is the safest speed to ride at? The correct answer was -and he added,
    just watch any police bike as an example- slightly faster than the
    traffic speed, and constantly moving through traffic, never staying
    behind or beside a car long enough for them to forget you were there.

    See, in your case, the problem as I see from what you have described, is
    not that you didn't react correctly to him changing lanes over the top
    of you, but that you apparently got in the situation where your reaction
    was necessary. I bet there was some indication that he was about to
    change lanes, but due to your road position, it wasn't apparent. There
    is almost never 'no indication', but being in the left lane alongside a
    car puts you in the worst place to observe.

    Nev..
    '08 DL1000K8
     
    Nev.., Sep 23, 2009
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  11. Zebee Johnstone

    theo Guest

    In WA, there was the National Training Council, a Gov't initiative
    from the late sixties. Costs were minimal ($30 for six Saturday
    mornings, as I recall). I did several courses there in the seventies
    and early eighties with an ex-copper called John Neep, a great
    instructor. My wife learnt to ride there. But, as with all good
    sensible things supplied at the Gov'ts expense, it was cost-cut in the
    mid-eighties, leaving new and prospective riders to be trained by
    their mates and riding schools. The wonderful little circuit and
    training ground they had is now part of the ECU carpark in Mt Lawley.
    Sigh.
    Exactly! You learnt your lessons well Nev.

    Theo
     
    theo, Sep 23, 2009
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  12. Zebee Johnstone

    Yeebok Guest

    Well aside from the horn and keeping out of his way, I could only really
    see the other options being the choice of which car to hit if I overtook
    or dropped back.
     
    Yeebok, Sep 24, 2009
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  13. Zebee Johnstone

    Nev.. Guest

    If what you're after is some sort of recognition of your super skills,
    instead of posting stories about how you got run off the road, you
    should skip over them and post stories (with sufficient evidence for
    Marts to believe, I hope, this is the internet you know, you may not
    even exist) about how you excelled at riding, and how you 'just knew'
    that the van was going to change lanes 15 seconds before he did, so
    you took preemptive action and appeared to be some sort of
    motorcycling-superman to all observers :)

    Nev..
     
    Nev.., Sep 24, 2009
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  14. Zebee Johnstone

    Yeebok Guest

    Yes Nev, I was in the wrong place at the wrong time, in a freak tight
    cluster of about 8 cars in 2 lanes in Port Mac during "peak hour". I can
    go into excruciating detail as to how I got in such a situation, but I'm
    sure we can skip all that because you'll be right anyway. :)

    However since you are so interested, the 2 cars in front of he and I
    slowed before I on my wee 28hp 250 could get in front of him. He was in
    a Hiace type vehicle and I was at his door, making sure I was fucking
    visible because I felt I was about to get into a shithouse position with
    cars front and rear, so to a large extent beyond waving a flashing light
    in his window etc,,

    The only thing I was wrong about was that it was later rather than
    sooner. As for the 'slightly faster than traffic..' etc advice, it's
    something that becomes clear pretty quickly when you start riding. In
    this case, I'd actually not have gotten into said position not following
    the first part of the advice, as that leads to following the second
    part. [1]

    [1] So ner,
     
    Yeebok, Sep 24, 2009
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  15. Quite true Yeebok and as you progress in your riding days, so too will your
    riding skills and perception of others especially car and truck drivers
    Although you should not expect much trouble with truck drivers
    Heavy vehicles I mean, not little dinky toy trucks
    I have found that the most problems come with female drivers, expecially
    those who are driving, or trying to drive 4WD vehicles,
    they have a mind set of looking straight ahead and never to either side
     
    George W Frost, Sep 24, 2009
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  16. Zebee Johnstone

    hippo Guest

    ...and then there are Camrys :(
    Cheers
     
    hippo, Sep 24, 2009
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  17. Zebee Johnstone

    BT Humble Guest

    ....and the wine! Don't forget the wine!


    BTH
    (that's something we'd really miss if the Romans, left, eh Reg?)
     
    BT Humble, Sep 24, 2009
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  18. That's what the female drivers of 4WD's do when they put it into the side of
    another vehicle or push over a bike
    They whine whine whine
     
    George W Frost, Sep 25, 2009
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  19. Zebee Johnstone

    Yeebok Guest

    If I was a motorcycling superman, I'd not need a motorcycle.
    However I'm here, it's harsh week so **** off patronising me. :)
    For the record at no time have I claimed above I'm some superb rider. I
    don't excel at riding. I rate myself as average or worse. If I Were a
    good rider I would have realised I may not have room and hung back.
     
    Yeebok, Sep 25, 2009
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  20. Zebee Johnstone

    GB Guest

    What Nev said. It took me the best part of an afternoon with a
    full kit of shoehorns to get it all in there, and if you look at
    the right angle you'll see a bulge under the 'Yamaha' badge on
    the front fairing - that's where the compressor is located - but
    the twin air horns have proven themselves to be single most effective
    investment in my not getting SMIDSYIED I've ever made.

    That they can't fix poor roadcraft is a fact, when the horns
    sound, the merging morons tend to dart right-the-**** back where
    they came from, and usually without bothering to look where they
    went. In that sense, having the horns comes with a great responsiblity
    to the poor bastard on the opposite side of the fuckwit who just
    tried to SMIDSY you, but the local dry-cleaner will very much
    appreciate the increase in business.

    SMIDSYs seem to be largely oblivious to regular electromagnetic
    horns, but bloody hell, they respond well to what sounds like a
    truck on their rear quarter!


    GB
     
    GB, Sep 27, 2009
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