Who hates bear?

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by dave, May 5, 2005.

  1. dave

    JackH Guest

    I've always used the back brake... and when I've tried braking just using
    the front, unless you're hammering that as hard as possible and thus
    transferring any useful weight to the front end to that extent, the back
    does make a bit of difference.

    Having said that, I don't tend to use the front all that much when doing <-
    10mph in heavy traffic etc. - the bike is much more balanced, and I can come
    almost to a standstill without having to put a foot down, due to the balance
    of the bike not being upset by the compression of the front forks etc.

    To put it another way... try and do a figure of eight like they get you to
    do (or at least did), on your CBT, first using just the front brake, and
    then just the back.
     
    JackH, May 6, 2005
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  2. dave

    andrewr Guest

    From my limited observations Champ is fast and smooth while Bear is fast and
    always looks about this far >< from crashing.

    I've only seen them ride on the road, but I've always had the impression that
    Champ has a lot more in reserve than Bear when they do so.
    Run, fat ****! Run!

    BTW, today is "Pick on Bear" day :)
     
    andrewr, May 6, 2005
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  3. dave

    darsy Guest

    what, we have to stop tomorrow?
     
    darsy, May 6, 2005
  4. dave

    Champ Guest

    I've not - well not seriously. I've read the book, tho.
     
    Champ, May 6, 2005
  5. dave

    darsy Guest

    not that handy when you're actually on the bike though - for a start,
    the pages are going to flutter around quite a bit.
     
    darsy, May 6, 2005
  6. dave

    Eddie Guest

    ****.

    Off.
     
    Eddie, May 6, 2005
  7. dave

    dwb Guest

    I think doing the actual course could well be good - though on the other
    hand you'd probably find having to do the level 1 stuff first a bit of a
    pain (as I think you're well beyond that).

    I believe they now do a specific race school (as well as the Superbike
    courses) which may be more your thing, otherwise there are others about that
    offer similar.

    I think (and please understand that this is coming from me, with my lack of
    knowledge and everything else and therefore potentially utterly useless)
    that you possibly just need someone to point out where you're losing the
    speed and how you can pick it up - it might be lines, braking - I really
    don't have a clue - but having someone point it out might be good.

    You potentially _could_ get this in the fast group on a track day with
    decent instructors mind you with less money - and it could be a circuit you
    actually race on.

    Really, flip wibble, stating the obvious but trying to help!
     
    dwb, May 6, 2005
  8. dave

    andrewr Guest

    OK then, have you considered organising a ukrm-only track day.

    Apparently it's about 5 grand for a track for a day, with ambulances and stuff,
    and if we^H^H you could fill 90 places then that's only ... <takes off socks>
    .... £55 and 55.5p each and, phew, sorry about that <puts socks back on>

    And we^H^H you could call the three groups "Ginges", "Darsys[1]" and "Champs".

    And if anybody binned it rather than ending the session you could send
    everybody to that part of the track to point and laugh.

    And if you were the organiser then you could ride in every group, which would
    be a nice change from endurance racing because you'd be surrounded by fuckwits
    - many of whom you'll have personally insulted at some point.

    It's a winning plan ... for everybody except you.

    [1] To pick somebody, at random, who isn't known for being either slow or
    stupidly fast.
     
    andrewr, May 6, 2005
  9. dave

    Champ Guest

    Nothing a bit of duck tape can't sort out.

    I was thinking of printing motivation messages out in a small font and
    taping them to the inside of my visor.[1]

    [1] this is a mild in-joke for those who were at Snett - one of the
    teams had big motivational posters stuck on the walls of their pit
    garage. While I'd be the first to agree that racing is 90% a head
    game, sticking posters on the wall that say "Be the best you can be"
    are only going to be counter-productive imo.
     
    Champ, May 6, 2005
  10. dave

    Eddie Guest

    Some of these would be better, wouldn't they?

    http://www.despair.com/fatosu.html
     
    Eddie, May 6, 2005
  11. dave

    Eddie Guest

    I thought we'd agreed that we weren't going to mention that.

    Actually, are you sure it was a 50? Wasn't it a 125? (He says, in a
    desperate bid to salvage a little pride.)
     
    Eddie, May 6, 2005
  12. dave

    Champ Guest

    I know what faster riders are doing - they're braking later, cornering
    faster, and accelerating harder.

    The question is slightly more meta-physical - *how* are they doing
    those things?

    For instance - Corams is a long RH corner at Snetterton. I have a
    certain speed round there which I can do repeatedly. This is faster
    than some riders, but slower than others. But how do I break out of
    my comfort zone (bearing in mind that 'comfort' actually equates to
    "jeez, this is fast, don't think I can go any quicker") and step up to
    the next level?

    It's all in the mind. There's companies like www.mindracing.com,
    which work on this. I know a guy who's helped me a bit, and the guy
    he's working with for the season is finding 3,4 and 5 seconds a lap at
    some circuits.
     
    Champ, May 6, 2005
  13. dave

    CT Guest

    It's all AndrewR's fault.
     
    CT, May 6, 2005
  14. dave

    Champ Guest

    There are very, very few racing 50s around - they haven't been raced
    as a class since the early 80s, and even then were only really popular
    in europe.

    A racing 125 *looks* like a 50 size-wise, and sounds like one too.
    It's just that they do 140+mph, and corner like you wouldn't believe.
     
    Champ, May 6, 2005
  15. dave

    Champ Guest

    I always think I have lots in reserve right up to the point where I
    need to dip into it, and find it much shallower than I'd hoped.
     
    Champ, May 6, 2005
  16. dave

    andrewr Guest

    I didn't see you getting overtaken by it, so you could have kept quiet.
    Well it was tiny, buzzy and had "50" painted on the side.

    How much HP does a racing 50 make anyway? 20bhp or so and it must weigh the
    same as a wet fart.
     
    andrewr, May 6, 2005
  17. dave

    Krusty Guest

    There's quite a thriving club scene for 50cc racers. One of the guys on
    the MV list does it with some ridiculously highly tuned Derbi-engined
    thing.
     
    Krusty, May 6, 2005
  18. dave

    dwb Guest

    Drugs.
     
    dwb, May 6, 2005
  19. dave

    WavyDavy Guest

    I used to hang my demotivator calendar right next to a 'proper' poster in my
    old office. I know which one rang truer when working in local government.
    And at least the statement on the calendar changed every month...
     
    WavyDavy, May 6, 2005
  20. Oh gawd now I have a mental image of bear as a furry.

    <shudder>
     
    Molly Fletcher, May 6, 2005
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