Who Do You Call ?

During this past week, there has been much discussion and debate concerning
regulations and legislation that concerns motorcycles.. The discussions have
been in some respects speculative, but based on a reality .. The
motorcyclist advocacy group, TMRA II has invariably been interjected into
many of the discussions.. Although they certainly are a minority, the
silliness of any individual who'd attack or even criticize an advocate whose
membership have fought for them (yes.. even the ones who are critical) is
unbelievable..

TMRA II is an organization that represents ALL bikers.. not Democrats,
Republicans or Independents.. All are included.. TMRA II doesn't represent
Cruiser riders, or Sport riders.. or Touring bikers.. The membership is made
up of ALL these people.. There is nothing exclusive or discriminatory
against or FOR any particular group..

The comments and posting coming from the critics of TMRA II's main critics
on this newsgroup are very revealing, when they are examined .. It is
becoming apparent that what is really at play, is a very minute segment of
misfit .. and so-called sport bike enthusiasts would like to eliminate as
many cruisers, as possible and they'd support the devils' own regulation or
legislation to do that.. The post referring to "Outlaw Bikers" is a perfect
example of one such critic..I've never read such "tripe" in my life..
Considering the source of the post, I can't say that I am surprised.. John
Moran who posts under the alias of "Another Viewer" has posted references to
deviant sexual behavior depicting cruiser bikers, for as long as he's
participated in this newsgroup..His access to the authors and sites to cater
to this disgusting pornography has only been exceeded by his eagerness to
post it on a newsgroup.. hmmm.. any questions ?

I've been engaging this very small group for a number of months and
periodically they launch another vicious flame war, accusing me of attacking
EVERYONE.. This latest attempt at credibility is their attempt to smear TMRA
II.. How stupid can anyone be ? The men and women who make up the
membership of ABATE and TMRA II are the ONLY advocates who have stood
between all bikers and the special interests who'd remove them from streets
and highways.. What kind of ridiculous insanity would lead anyone to
criticize the ones who stand up for them ?

TMRA II hasn't won every fight they've engaged in.. But, they keep trying ..
My handlebars on my motorcycle are within the guidelines of compliance with
the regulations, why should I worry about it.. My tail lights are in
compliance and I have the required insurance to permit me to have my
motorcycle tagged and inspected..

One of the speculations has been that conceivably some legislator is going
to recognize that some drivers are scared to death of the bikers who stream
alongside of them in traffic, sitting on their handlebars and doing a 80 mph
wheelie.. Some legislator will examine accident statistics and resolve that
80 percent of fatalities in motorcycle accidents are representative of sport
bikes.. That legislator will, sooner or later slide an amendment to
otherwise popular legislation that will ban those sport bikes on public
thoroughfares.. Who are these little minority opposers to TMRA II going to
appeal to ?

Fortunately, as I've pointed out.. TMRA II represents anyone riding a
motorcycle and these critics of TMRA II only represent a minute minority of
bikers.. themselves ..mostly.. These guys are not someone you'd choose to
ride with.. They aren't even someone you'd choose to associate with in any
environment.. Hell.. why would anyone choose that kind of company..??

There is no contest between sport bikers and cruiser bikers in TMRA II..
I've ridden with all of them, including ST bikers, and touring bikers..
Consider many of them all to be personal friends.. TMRA II represents them
all and welcome all of them, even non-members to attend meetings and
gatherings across this giant state..

One other point, when the El Paso PD declared war on the sport riders in
that city, they appealed to the El Paso Chapter of TMRA II, to intercede for
them and get some relief.. TMRA II did just that.. Those good brothers and
sister who make up the El Paso Chapter commenced meeting with officials of
the police department.. At the last report, I'm given to understand that the
El Paso police department has backed off in their focus on those bikers..

Be very careful what you wish for, people.. you just might get it..

Your friend in Irving
Bill Walker

 

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed
(and hence clamorous to be led to safety), by menacing it with an
endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
-H.L. Mencken-

 

YOU are not "imaginary" Neither are some of your "friends".. Very few, if
ANY of these good people on this newsgroup would associate with you, nor
permit their wives, daughters, mothers or children, to be exposed to you..

 

checked out http://www.subservientchicken.com ?
"have chicken your way" it's satire too.

that was pure satire on the concept that handlebar height regs are part
of a plan to eliminate the "outlaw biker" that some here fear. judging
by the responses to that post, most people understood that and liked the
humor, excepting Bill of course. it was over his head.

I saw no response from tmra2 at all after the mass arrests of
motorcyclists 2 years at James Coney Island ago by HPD. Where were they
on that massive violation of motorcycle rights? Absent. Guess it didn't
fit their agenda.

Bill doesn't bother me, he's just a blowhard. When he says stupid
things, which he does quite often, he gets called on it and he starts
insulting people. He gets more upset when the insults are returned.

you were lost outside of Fredericksberg looking for the bat cave sign.
I guided you all the way from there to Del Rio via Junction and a few
other bonus locations en route. You stayed behind in a gas station in
Del Rio when it was time to move on.

you got your speeding ticket on your own after I left you in Del Rio,
and you never finished before time ran out.
fwiw, i wasn't using a radar detector that day because it was raining.

he seriously believes that? that's pretty wierd.
do you believe all those people "worship lucifer" ?


I think the $200 I spent was worth it for me as I

The $200 entry fee covered hotel rooms, 2 awards banquets and prizes.

the minimum donation to the hospital was $50, more was suggested.
Over $60,000.00 raised by the WATR during the past 7 years has gone
directly to TSRHC.

how fast did they say you were going on your speeding ticket coming back
from Del Rio on your own ?

 

Good to see you back online.. here..

That "golden rule" philosophy is a good one.. Too bad others do not
subscribe to that same philosophy.. In spite of your references to the
differences in the tone of my posts over the past year or so.. however far
you go back.. No one on this group has ever seen a post by me that attacks
another's family member.. No one has ever seen a post by me that dishonors
the memory of a lost loved one.. Anyone who has done that, has forfeited the
respect, dignity or pride that should be afforded to them..

Obviously embracing regulations and legislation that will limit or restrict
another fellow biker is silliness that should not be encouraged.. Attempting
to smear one of the advocates or defenders of "rights" is the ultimate
insult to us all and is not tolerable..

Apparently.. you have some more catching up to do on this newsgroup.. I
won't bother to challenge this comment..out of respect for our own
relationship that we've developed over a long period of time..

I didnt see any drinking at

I don't think you'd have missed it.. That meeting was more or less typical
of all the meetings I've attended over the State..

I doint think that Mark or John are interested in TMRA2 because they

LOL.. A lot of people have "faced" up to me, over the years.. In light of
some of the declarations made by those two.. shouldn't be a problem, if they
have courage of their convictions.. Did you have a problem in your encounter
with me ? Or .. either of your sons ? Neither did anyone else..

At that waltz

That is the report that I got and even though they both denied it, I was not
surprised that you would mention it..Another indication of the characters of
these two men..How juevenile and silly can anyone be ? I wasn't at the
meetings for the Waltz run, and had plainly declared that I would not be
there..

I "supported them" at the waltz because it seem like an

That was the one and only condition that I made for me to participate in
that run.. Mark Johnson and John Moran (Another Viewer) both swore that
"pegging" with anyone was not allowed.. The ridemaster himself welcomed any
group on the ride and had no problems with "pegging up"..

Your Pastor is dead wrong, with all due respect.. He obviously doesn't know
anything about Masonry nor it's works.. There is not a working degree that
is higher than that of a 32nd Degree Mason.. There are two ways to earn that
Degree, either through Scottish Rites or through what is know as
Consistory.. From the 1st through the 32nd Degrees, declarations of a belief
in God is foremost and explored with intricate and detailed insight into
each individual's conscience..The 33rd Degree is an honorary Degree that
cannot be worked for.. It must be bestowed, so there are only the 1st
through the 32nd Degrees which would apply.. Shriners are a separate Order,
entirely.. Their association with Masonry is the requirement that each
Shrine applicant must have achieved the 32nd Degree .. either through
Scottish Rite or Consistory..

I had not heard of that

Clearly not.. There are a few denominational groups that have identified
themselves with Masonry.. Mormons being one of them.. I used the term
":identified with" because it is applicable.. The Masonic Order is more
ancient than any of the religious orders that have done this..

I think the $200 I spent was worth it for me as I

You participated in an event that is founded for a very worthy cause...

Not sure if I will do that again and have no idea

The contribution amount is unimportant.. The thought behind your
contribution is meaningful..

If I do that

No more speeding tickets for the "Beemer".. huh ? Can't say that I blame
you in the least.. My normal speeds on a run is at the speed limit or just a
bit higher.. I've also paid my share of those ungodly fines .. I'm weak
enough to not be able to resist the urge to "nail 'er" once in a while.. But
.. I do try to keep it within reason and without risk to me or anyone else..

While my motorcycle was being repaired in Barnett's, a group of El Paso
officers were there, also.. This same conversation took place during that
time.. As you pointed out, we can't do much to change the minds of some of
the people we come in contact with.. By that same token, we don't have to
give them the idea that we tolerate them either.. I did that in the
conversation with a couple of those officers and I have done that, on this
group..The one officer who boasted about running that biker into a bridge
support was the first to leave with his partner, when he discovered that
some of his fellow officers felt much as I had expressed.. The thought of
taking pride in participating in the death of another, over a traffic
infraction is detestible .. An officer who would do such a thing and then
attempt to boast about it, certainly should not be in a position of
authority, that involves life or death decisions..

Glad you got your "Grande" up and running.. LOL.. I don't even know what it
is.. but.. it's good to see you back on the newsgroup.. BTW .. no disrespect
to your faith or to your Pastor..

Your friend in Irving
Bill Walker

 

yeah right[/QUOTE]

seriously, i wasn't running with it. i think you are confusing it with
the GPS i had my route programmed in. The Valentine One was warm and
dry back in the hotel, unlike us. V1's don't like to get wet, it messes
them up and they aint cheap. I did miss it by the afternoon, coming
back up from the Valley. I've ridden that area quite a bit previously,
so it wasn't so critical.

 

Let me assure you that "nothing" you come up with is "over anyone's head"..

Quite possibly, the mindset of yours and some of your pals in the area have
contributed to TMRA II not becoming involved with Biker's issues down
there.. I'd personally have reservations about coming to help you or those
pals of yours.. My response to you would be.. "Call someone who likes you
and who you approve of"....

Why the taped out nametag ? Seems as though I touched upon that in the past
couple of days.. Seems like John Moran lied again.. huh ?

When he says stupid

I've never resorted to insulting your wife, mother, girlfriend or family...
nor have I insulted anyone else's.. There are many people who disagree with
me and I disagree with them.. We remain friends and respect each other.. I
have NO respect for you John Moran.. Association with men like you is
beneath me or anyone else with character...

There is another LIE .. Damn.. John.. you don't even realize that you are
telling lies, do you ?

OK.. Beemer isn't blaming you for getting a ticket.. Why is it so important
to use or not use a radar detector..??

LOL... you'd have absolutely no idea, one way or the other..

Why is that important ? He got a speeding ticket and paid for it..

 

Quite possibly, the mindset of yours and some of your pals in the area have
contributed to TMRA II not becoming involved with Biker's issues down
there.. I'd personally have reservations about coming to help you or those
pals of yours.. My response to you would be.. "Call someone who likes you
and who you approve of"....[/QUOTE]

I wasn't involved. The incident was all over the media for months.
tmra2 just skipped it. A statewide organization that doesn't do
anything in the largest city in the state isn't truly a statewide
organization.

you've hurled enough insults and lies about so many other people it
doesn't matter. besides, you insult your wife when you dump oil all
over the patio after she specifically asked you to not change oil there.

Nope, Bill is wrong here. Why the bullshit, Bill? You weren't on the
ride and have no idea what happened. BB, do you want to correct him on
this?

 

I wasn't involved. The incident was all over the media for months.
tmra2 just skipped it. A statewide organization that doesn't do
anything in the largest city in the state isn't truly a statewide
organization.

you've hurled enough insults and lies about so many other people it
doesn't matter.[/QUOTE]

LMAO.. doesn't matter, John ? Of course it matters. Wanna talk about which
"lies" I've told on anyone, John ? Go for it.. Enquiring minds may not
really want to know, but you seem obsessed with proving that I've lied about
something.. The "insults" are another matter.. I don't believe that you
have enough dignity or pride to be insulted.. Anyone else that I've insulted
on here was being responded by me.. I will challenge a comment that I don't
agree with..

besides, you insult your wife when you dump oil all

ROTFLMAO.. My wife and I have been happily married for more than fifteen
years.. You have never laid eyes on my wife nor me.. Many on here have.. Can
you explain why you are so implicated in our relationship, that you'd be
offended by anything that is between my wife and me..NONE OF YOUR FREAKING
BUSINESS, John..

You don't even realize the lie that has been exposed, do you, John ? Sure
you do.. There's no need to involve Beemer in this, any furthur.. That is
also part of your MO.. You like to gather all the support that you can
involve in your foolishness.. My participation in that ride was to "peg up
with you".. My comments were that I would outride you.. Your excuse not to
accept that condition was that it was against the rules.. What Rules, John ?
Certainly not the rules of the ride.. The ridemaster exposed that lie, even
before the ride..

Now .. it is a fact that you DID peg up with someone on that ride... Like
your friend Louie is fond of saying.. "You Are Busted".. John..

You denied that you blacked out your name on your ID for that ride, John..
As it turns out, YOU DID.. Of course.. as it turns out, Mark Johnson did the
same thing.. LOL.. I'd already declared that I wasn't coming .. Are you and
Mark Johnson so paranoid that you'd try to hide from a 70 year old, that you
have never even seen ? I believe my assessment of you two has been dead on,
from the beginning..

 

wrong again. I specified the standard Waltz rules.
you copped out before the ride began. you didn't want to do it under the
standard rules when I asked you directly. here's the post where you
chickened out, notice I specify standard Waltz rules:


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Absolutely NO..
*************

It's pretty plain, you didn't want to do it by the Waltz rules. You said
no when directly asked. No matter how many times we got thru this, it's
not going to change. You said "NO".

I ran into BB outside of Frederiscksburg and he followed me to Del Rio
because I had my route planned. You can fantasize whatever you wish, it
doesn't change reality. You didn't show for the ride. You're all
mouth, Bill, flexing behind the keyboard, making hollow threats, but
given an opportunity to back up your words you don't.

I was there. you weren't.
You've hated it ever since.
All your insults won't change the fact that you know you chickened out.
Too bad, live with it.

 

You are caught lying again.. Who the hell cares.. ?

My only reason for participating in that ride was to out ride you.. That's
where the whole controversy began..
Without riding with you, what the hell was it all about ? Nah.. you copped
out claiming "rules" Then you violated the rules you were claiming..

you didn't want to do it under the

Won't fly.. dummy.. you are "busted" .. again..

 

Actually, as I pointed out elsewhere, I based my opinion on the posts of
those who have established themselves as representatives of TMRA2 here
on this newsgroup; not officers - representatives. If that perception is
wrong then I am more than willing to correct it. It appears that
drinking activities associated with TMRA2 official meetings were greatly
exaggerated or misrepresented by these people.

Riding with someone wasn't my interpretation of "pegging up". Foot peg
to foot peg is what I read into it. I won't ride that way with anyone,
much less someone I've not ridden with before. I have no problems at all
riding "with" someone in a rally if that's what the riders want to do.

Misconceptions of Masonry abound. There's even a web site that is
chocked full of the myths you're alluding to. None of them are true, but
they persist because some people thrive on F.U.D. I remember my church
starting a petition when "The Life of Brian" was in the theaters. Talk
about misplaced enthusiasm.

Whatever the number was that Jack reported was sent to the hospital
100%. That's the kind of guy Jack is and the kind of event that he puts
on. No smoke and mirrors.

 

Explain this:

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Absolutely NO..

***************

you said no to the standard Waltz rules.
how many times do you want to go thru this?
it won't change. I rode it, you didn't show.

 

Who were those people that claimed to represent TMRA II and gave you that
impression..?? You keep talking about "those people".. enquiring minds would
like to know...

 

You sure did.. 547 miles in twelve hours.. LMAO... You are a phony as well
as a liar.. Damn..

 

Speaking of.... I guess I shouldn't base my opinion of an organization
on just this newsgroup, but ...

I see some here referencing tmra II and in the same message they are
calling people names, labeling them, and letting them know they aren't
welcome in tmra. What's up with that, does tmra think that is helping
their cause. Take Walker for example, he sez he is the same way here as
he is in public..... now don't that make you want to join up! I see
others that represent tmra appearing to condone that behavior. If tmra
sees members who act like that as an asset, I gotta remain 'no thanks'.

Am I wrong here ?? ... am I seeing things?? .....louie

 

and you rode how many miles ?

oh that's right, you didn't show up. LOL

 

Nah... you are seeing what you want to see... As far as I know, TMRA II nor
Bill Walker have ever solicited you for membership.. As a matter of fact,
I'd discourage that very thing..

A very active District Advisor made a comment that addresses that issue very
well.. "If I have to drag someone on board to participate, I don't need
him".. In my opinion.. welfare bikers such as you have represented yourself
to be, will always be just that.. "Welfare Bikers".. TMRA II doesn't need
you.. No one really does..

 

OK, and BTW thanks for a considerate, respectful reply.
TMRAII will be fortunate to have you join their ranks.

....louie

 

thanks for the confirmation

.....louie