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Ace wrote:
[VW Touareg]

I *hate* the Cayenne but this is just a irrational prejudice[1] as I've
never driven one. I just hate the image they portray.
I don't really like SUVs anyway[2] and a Porsche SUV is just not right!

Oh, and they're pig ugly, IMO.

[1] thread merge!
[2] Living where I do, they only seem to be used for the scool run and
I have yet another irrational prejudice against the school run in
general and using 4x4s in particular.

How's that for an opinionated post?

 

Yes. "The R-Class Luxury Multi-Activity Vehicle". I confess that I'd
been unable (despite looking at that page) to spot the presence of
AWD, so I'll have another think. Ta.

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Here are a couple of reviews. The first quite likes it, the second is
by Clarkson.
http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,12929-1713436,00.html
http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,12529-2145169,00.html

 

IKWYM. I tend to feel that about Porsches in general.

Quite. But given my requirements, it seems to fit the bill, so my
irrational prejudices have been beaten down.

Not as bad as the VW though, but again, I don't disagree.

"Chelsea Tractors". I don't understand it either. What _really_ gets
my goat, though, are the SUV/4WD drivers, many of whom I oveertook
this morning, who insist on pussy-footing along just 'cos there's a
bit of snow on the road. "You've got 4wd, traction control and snow
tyres - learn to drive the fucking thing properly" I shout as they
flash their lights at me becaue they think I was going too fast when I
overtook them.

Naah, miles off. It's well-reasoned and perfectly rational.

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There's a woman (natch) that drives a LandCruiser/Pajero-type thing
around my way and I've seen her on numerable occasions coming to
complete stop before gingerly driving over some speed humps.

Damn, I'll have to go back for a rethink.

 

As do I when driving my Jeep. Well not a /complete/ stop, but certainly
slower than when driving a car. I'll leave you to work out why that
might be.

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Heh, no I just don't like bashing my head on the roof & having my teeth
rattled out. It obviously depends on the type of speed bump, but the
road I mostly use with them has the type that launch your wheels into
the air at anything faster than walking pace in the Jeep.

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They have the 'bump-in-the-middle-of-the-lane' ones here and the
Voyagers wheelbase width is sufficient that I can put a wheel either
side of them and not hit them at all.

And unlike the Novaboy recently our sump is high enough in the air not
to hit them.

Phil

 

Tighten your seat belt.

Some of the bumps here look to be 3 feet wide and about 6 to 8 inches
high. You can get air when on the bike.

 

That would be me then. 4wd, TC and snow tyres are great to get you going,
but only the last is any use if you need to stop again. And if your 2.5
tonne vehicle gets sideways it may take more than a bit of soft snow to
stop it.

BTW, it occurs to me there must be people here whose bikes are more
powerful than their cars. How weird is that? Even I get close, and look at
the power to weight ratios: LR Discovery, 2500kg, 135hp; BMW R1200RT,
270kg, 110hp.

I'd maintain there are more fun things to do in snow than go fast, though.
Things for which a transfer box and locking diff are more useful than lots
of horsepower. Getting out of my garden, for a start.

 

OK, clumsy **** confession time. I returned to the CR-V parked in an
autoroute services after lunch. Muggins had forgotten that there was a
very high raised (higher than a pavement kerb) kerb narrow divider
between the area we were parked in and another. Sitting in the high SUV
you couldn't see it. Nothing parked in the bay in front thinks I. Quick
escape without having to reverse. I engaged first and quite gently moved
forward. The Honda lurched up and climbed on to the divider. I had the
belated presence of mind to hit the brakes, but by this time she was
perched like a beached whale. Fortunately CRVs have sump guards and bash
plates for the exhaust system. With the help of a burly native lifting
the front and assistance from the clever 4 wheel drive cutting in I
gingerly backed off and lowered the front end back down the kerb as
gently as possibly. A grovel underneath revealed that I had got away
with just a light scrawping of the bash plates.


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Indeed, but surely you've also got 4wABS?

Well don't get the fucker sideways if you can't work out how to drive
it out of it then.

But they're all more fun the faster you go.

I've never had a problem getting the Volvo up our drive, even in 12
inches of snow. It's about a 1 in 5, I guess, maybe 1 in 4 at the top,
but the Volvo's basic semi-viscous coupling has always been sufficient
to do it with absolutely no drama. With snow tyres, that is.

Do you actually have snow tyres?
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That's why they fit 'em.

Not for off-roading as such, but for clumsy cnuts like you..... ;-)

 

1.7 tonnes in my case. On my previous 4x4, the 4wd made cornering more
balanced, though I don't suppose it would actually corner any faster
that any other car. I haven't had the oportunity to try the new car on
slippery roads, though I have played a bit in my field.

Some of us don't bother with high-powered cars, so that's not hard.
Car: 101hp; bikes: 135hp, 125hp, 70hp, 45hp(est).

Whan I had my Vitara, once or twice when it snowed I would go to a
nearby empty carpark/ turning area and play in 2wd. SWB Vitara
back-ends go sideways easily, but they're very controllable.

 

I have carried snow chains in the CR-V and now the Octavia for the last
four years and never needed them.

In the days when we had *real* snow and the only 4x4s were landrovers I
think the best car I ever drove for getting through snow was a Fiat 126
SWMBO#1 had. The only thing that stopped that was very deep snow which
built up under the front. I reckon if you could have rigged up a
rudimentary snow plough it would have got through almost anything except
massive drifts. I used to borrow it and take it out just for fun when
nothing else was moving.

The worst naturally was the Alfa 75 2.5 V6. The revs picked up so
quickly on that and the tyres were pretty radically low profile for its
day. Took me 5 goes to get out of my cul-de-sac one day. Had to roll
back down the hill and swoop backwards up as high as I could on my drive
and have another go. Down the drive and fish tail on to the road
ensuring I had enough way on to get into a higher gear and keep the revs
down.

The surprising thing is that if you watch car trials, as I do from time
to time as a mate passengers in them, they rev the bollocks off to climb
muddy slopes. Tyre pressures down below 5 psi though.



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Don't stint on the Preparation H, then.

 

True, that does help.

Well, exactly. And even if you could theoretically drive out of it, you
may not have the space.

Heh. Not always. Getting the old Peugeot 205 out of the garden at the
moment involves quite a lot of speed, together with some rather
spectacular fishtailing and fountains of snow. That is quite fun, but
it's definitely more satisfying in the Discovery, which crawls quietly
out on tickover.

Yes.

 

I don't know, I've never seen him drive over a speedbump.

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I think that's pretty much where they got their reputation from...

 

Krusty says...

My Saab had been taken in px against something or other, but the 1500 or
1700 V4 (I can't remeber what it had originally) was trashed. We also
had a Mk1 Capri with a 2.0 litre Corsair engine in it, which a customer
managed to write off, so that gave us a donor engine for the Saab.

I missed the Capri, it had been my company car for a few weeks prior to
lending it to the customer while his Transit motorhome was being
repaired.