Which course?

Hoo...bloody...ray!

Now, about the lunch?

Wollombi, and I don't care how anyone gets there.

All we have left is the date...... we might get this sorted before the
end of this year, with any luck!

regards,
CrazyCam

 

Heh
I'll bet a simile that you don't have a clue by four when it comes to
metaphors.

 

On 09/11/11 8:22 AM, Diogenes wrote:

I don't, and, if I did, I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.

I don't know, for fact, but suspect strongly, that HART consistently
make their money from the Pre-learners and MOST, and the other courses
are fairly low on their priority to promote.

regards,
CrazyCam

 

I'm OK any time, but week days are out for us working stiffs.

 

I have a PhD from UHK, does that count?

Anyway, when will you take me up on my offer to meet you in Melbum for
a beer and to sight your Vietnam vet credentials.

I'll bring mine too and we can play "I'll show you mine if you show me
yours."

Waddya say, George... then we can finally put it to rest, eh.

[casts a knowing wink to the audience]

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Onya bike

Gerry

 

....but did you wear a sarong?

 

I'm now inclined to put it off till after 6 Oct when the loved one
flies out to France for a conference at Versailles (she's *such* a
snob ;-), leaving me to pine for three weeks. :-(

Also, George, I surrender that road to he hoons on weekends and the
pub gets too packed as well, so I'm only willing to consider a trip on
week days. Sorry to be such a pain. :-(

=================

Onya bike

Gerry

 

Hmmm...

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Onya bike

Gerry

 

Maybe not then, but by his attitude and persona, he would wear one now

 

Told you before many times Gerry
I don't have to prove anything to you or anyone else now.
What was then is over, almost on 50 years now, so give it a rest
Get back to your Yank bashing, you appear to delight in that.

 

Ask Frost The AATTV who Ted is and get back to me with the answer,
dickfor.

=================

Onya bike

Gerry

 

Yes but... when will you take me up on my offer to meet you in Melbum
for a beer and to sight your Vietnam vet credentials. I'll bring mine
too and we can play "I'll show you mine if you show me
yours." Waddya say, George... then we can finally put it to rest, eh.

=================

Onya bike

Gerry

 

What would make you even think that I would want to have a beer with you ?
You are a loser Gerry and that has been proven by your friends, or should I
say acquaintances, over in the flight sim group

 

then **** off and killfile him so this place doesnt end up with 2130948120498203984
posts of worthless bullshit.

I say acquaintances, over in the flight sim group

 

Yes but... when will you take me up on my offer to meet you in Melbum
for a beer and to sight your Vietnam vet credentials. I'll bring mine
too and we can play "I'll show you mine if you show me
yours." Waddya say, George... then we can finally put it to rest, eh.

=================

Onya bike

Gerry

 

Are you talking to me again Gerry/.......? :-S

(dftl)

 

CrazyCam asked:

You did ask, so now you get one of my Theories of General Application.

I have thought about what goes wrong with CS School L2 (as reported
here in many posts) and its this - if a rider has some basic flaws in
technique, trying to progess on the track to some advanced level by
getting a series of 15 minute briefings with a pretty self confident
(read arrogant) instructor is not really going to go well - I know
they then have group instructors out on the track with your group who
are supposed to follow you around but in reality they just do a track
session around you and when you next pit ask you "Well how did that
go?"

And the true answer is pretty crap actually, but nobody says that.

If you get some time and attention from a good instructor, or even an
experienced track rider who can communicate well, who SHOWS you what
you are doing wrong, and then gets you to realise how to correct that,
and you then reinforce that by doing the correct thing on the road so
many times as it becomes the norm, then you will have learnt something
grasshopper.

Not all learning is done at warp speed.

Three examples -

1. Sit rear wheel in race stand and sit on your bike; assume the
postion, and let a guru look you over; $5 will get you $10 you will
have your butt in the wrong postion, your feet esp heels wrong
relative to the pegs and the all essential grip you need from inside
your knees / thighs from the tank sides will not be there. That does
not matter on a cruiser or on my much loved V Strom, but those
mistakes are really critical in a sports bike on the track where, may
all the gods bear witness, you do need to know what your doing.

2. Still on the stand, gut the guru to explain why experienced track
riders and racers get their butts half off a perfectly good seat and
put a knee down inside a corner - understanding why this is done is
the first step in the debate of whether you want to - and in the real
world being shown that it all starts with getting some grip on the
side of the tank which is outside the turn (see point 1), and braceing
that leg and planting that outside foot on that outside peg, gives you
the confidence to drop a knee into the turn while keeping the bike
more upright (read stable) than it otherwise would be.

All this, and we have not yet started the engine grass hopper! - but
this is one on one stuff - and yes you can share the guru when its not
your turn - but YOU need this shown to you, not shouted or mumbled to
a group (or for that matter read in a book where it will not stick).

3. Witches hats in a car park - have said this before, but having
someone used to correcting errors watch and after a couple of
relatively slow speed slaloms round the cones (that you will think you
are doing fine by the way) and then point out that yes you were
counter steering (you would not have got round them had you not) but
then showing where you a leaning / looking / and leering will teach
you the error of your ways (video might be good for this) will make a
world of difference both on the road and on the track..

All of those things need a guru looking at and working with you - and
this does not really happen to the degree I think its needed (at least
for me at CS School ).

And so far as I can see none of the named schools really offer this,
and imho it is why their value is more limited than it could be.

Here endeth the TGA.

best, Andrew

 

In aus.motorcycles on Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:18:30 -0700 (PDT)

During level 2 I had individual instruction on the tract, but see
below.

I did. And I heard others do too.

The problem with level 2 is that it's mostly about what's in your
head - it's about what you see and how you internalise that.

It is difficult to look at someone and know what they are seeing and
how they are translating what they see.

The problem I had was that they only had one way of explaining how to
think about it, and if that didn't work, they had no backup. They
couldn't correct because they couldn't tell what was going on in my or
anyone else's head.

Unlike level 1 which was very much about externals that were easy to
spot, level 2 is all about how you are thinking, and they require very
good visual memory, and a particular way of thinking. Not much if
anything about what's visible externally is involved.

Zebee

 

I did ask, and, from your reply, I is your man!

The three specific examples you have given, I can do without putting down
my beer, so, any time that suits you, I can do those things for you.

Level 2 is, as Zebee says, very much about headology, so, unlike L1, it
isn't immediately obvious who is "getting it" and who isn't.

Good positioning on the motorcycle, even in normal road riding, can be
very important.

I'm not too sure I understand this bit, tho.

In the real world, on public roads, getting your knee down, or even
attempting it, is a complete wank.

It only has a valid application on the race track, and, even there it
isn't always the best way to do things.

Was "leering" a typo?

Yes, I totally agree that slow speed work can highlight basic problems
in bike handling, and, until you have the basic bike handling right,
going faster isn't going to help.

I can understand that.

Well, yes, but.......

the amount of money to allow one on one tuition, with a private hire of
a race track, plus the insurance, would make it a very expensive exercise.

Even without the race track, it would still be quite a lot of money.

StayUpright and HART could probably do it, if enough cash was waved at
them, dunno about CSS, as I think most of their instructors are MA
qualified, which (AFAIK) isn't sufficient for on road instruction.

 

Well, so much for my belief that I hold the title of GOF(1).

We are celebrating the 50th anniversary of our graduation from the
Australian Army School of Music at Balcombe Army Apprentice School
next month. In 1961, I was posted to 3RAR, but I was too young to be
considered for the AATTV. The first contingent didn't leave until late
1961 for deployment in 1962, but by then I was in hospital with
pneumonia. When I left hospital, 3RAR considered me unfit for active
duty, so I was transferred to 1RAR - a most enjoyable posting, I might
add.

So I must be considerably younger than you, so here, have an apple you
old fart, you...

Regards