Where's the logic?

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Cab, Apr 11, 2011.

  1. Cab

    Cab Guest

    On the 6th April, Nathalie Kosciusko-Morizet (Minister of Ecology)
    declared that she wants to introduce a ban in 8 towns and cities
    across France for two wheelers manufactured before 2004 starting in
    2012. Two of the cities are Paris and Saint Denis (93) just north and
    east of Paris.

    The draft ministerial order states that inspection may be done by chip
    (probably RFID) or CCTV (of which the French have a complete
    abhorrence too).

    There'll probably be toll gates at the entrance of cities shortly
    after that. Why? Just why?
     
    Cab, Apr 11, 2011
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  2. Is this something that they really might introduce, or just the usual
    kite-flying?
     
    The Older Gentleman, Apr 11, 2011
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  3. Cab

    Hog Guest

    It's 2 and 4+ wheelers and the arguments are about old engines and
    pollution. Which isn't entirely out of order.
    The 2004 thing is pretty gash, I guess it's to do with the hordes of
    scooters. Cars are 1997. I'd have thought that's also a bit ambitious, most
    cars built from 97 on would be pretty clean designs.
     
    Hog, Apr 11, 2011
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  4. Catalytic convertors came in some time in the late 1980s, didn't they?

    I reckon the Kawasaki Triples Club should stage a rally in Paris.....
     
    The Older Gentleman, Apr 11, 2011
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  5. Cab

    Eiron Guest

    There's no logic to the London low emission zone.
    Old commercial vehicles still have to pass the MOT test so they wouldn't
    be polluting
    and the proportion of miles driven by diesels over ten years old is minimal,
    so it's just a very expensive scheme, with no benefits, which has fucked
    a few small businesses.
     
    Eiron, Apr 12, 2011
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  6. Cab

    Ace Guest

    Not really. The idea is not to ensure that all vehicles are in good
    engine tune, but that most >15-y-o cars and vans are vastly less
    efficient than modern ones, hence creating more CO2 etc.

    Not that I support the idea, but I think that's the logic of it.
     
    Ace, Apr 12, 2011
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  7. Cab

    Eiron Guest

    Vastly less efficient? Hardly. And it's pre 2001, not 15 years.
    There are not that many old commercial diesels in other cities so
    the benefits of changing them to slightly 'cleaner' ones are minimal.
     
    Eiron, Apr 12, 2011
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  8. Cab

    Ace Guest

    Aye. Petrol engine efficiency has improved by something like 50% over
    the last couple of decades.
    Hog quoted it at 2007.
    Why are you only talking abouit commercial diesels? AFAICS the rule in
    question refers equally to cars and other vehicles.

    <Light dawns>

    You're talking about something entirely different, aren't you? I was
    referring to the Paris rules that Cab posted about.
     
    Ace, Apr 12, 2011
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