Where's Des, then?

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Logorrhea, Nov 11, 2003.

  1. Logorrhea

    Logorrhea Guest

    Yes, I know he's off our radar screens for a while, but as a 'Frenchman' he
    would be proud of the direct action being taken against speed cameras. This
    is in today's Times, and it's reassuring that French politicians are at
    least as hypocritical as our own:

    Speed traps provoke the French to fury
    From Charles Bremner in Paris

    FRENCH police are planning to protect their new speed cameras from attack -
    by using CCTV cameras.

    The country's first automated speed traps have been attacked with bullets,
    paint and a sledgehammer in the ten days since thirty of the devices were
    installed as part of President Chirac's campaign to curb France's lethal
    driving habits.

    Adding to citizens' anger over the crackdown, a motoring magazine said
    yesterday that it had clocked the car of Nicolas Sarkozy, the Interior
    Minister, driving nearly 20mph above the speed limit as his car took him to
    inaugurate the first of the new speed cameras, in the Essonne, south of
    Paris.

    That camera, on Route Nationale 20, was smashed by a sledghammer within
    hours of his visit on October 27.

    While Britain and many other countries adopted speed cameras long ago, the
    automated approach was resisted in France as alien and a breach of privacy.
    Earlier police- controlled speed cameras were modified a decade ago after
    their photographs showed the occupants of passenger seats, sometimes
    exposing infidelity to drivers' partners.

    Urged on by lawyers, motoring campaigners are fighting a rearguard action
    over the legality of the new traps, which some claim to be a breach of the
    European Convention on Human Rights.

    After the first £60,000 unit was smashed in the Essonne, paint blacked out
    another radar automatique on the A6 motorway in the same area. In eastern
    France, guns have been used against a motorway speed camera and two other
    television cameras that apparently were mistaken for them.

    The authorities, who are counting on the cameras to apply a psychological
    jolt, have promised to track down and punish the culprits and to keep the
    cameras in operation whatever the cost.

    As well as being defended by closed-circuit television, the cameras may be
    moved to motorway bridges. A further 1,000 fixed and mobile units are to be
    installed over the next two years.

    So far, the first batch of cameras, which are identified in advance by road
    signs, have proved salutory. More than 2,000 fines a day are being sent to
    car owners, most of them for the basic ?90 (£62) penalty, plus one point off
    the 12-point driving licence.

    The automatic nature of the fines is a novelty because of the old Gallic
    practice of exonerating the influential and the friends and family of police
    issued with speeding tickets.

    However, the absence of human intervention is being used to mount a legal
    challenge. Remy Josseaume, a lawyer who defends drivers, is appealing to the
    Council of State, the highest legal authority, on the ground that a 1978 law
    prohibits the use of purely automated data for "assessing human behaviour"
    in a judicial decision.
     
    Logorrhea, Nov 11, 2003
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    dwb Guest

    Didn't they try something in the UK, and failed?
     
    dwb, Nov 11, 2003
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  3. Logorrhea

    Lozzo Guest

    Who really fucking cares?

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    Lozzo, Nov 11, 2003
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  4. In uk.rec.motorcycles, Lozzo said:
    Not me.
     
    Whinging Courier, Nov 11, 2003
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  5. I thought you'd be able under EU regs.
    I can here (Ireland) because of those same regs.
    Never stopped you before...


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    Dave

    GS 850 x2 / SE 6a
    SbS#6? DIAABTCOD#16 APOSTLE#16? FUB#3
    FUB KotL OSOS#12? UKRMMA#19
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Nov 11, 2003
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  6. Logorrhea

    Timo Geusch Guest

    Grimly Curmudgeon was seen penning the following ode to ... whatever:
    That'll surely be local elections only, right?
     
    Timo Geusch, Nov 12, 2003
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  7. Logorrhea

    dwb Guest

    [1] no, I'm not lurking: this post appeared in google as I was searching
    for 'French' in
    Sounds like lurking to me.
     
    dwb, Nov 12, 2003
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  8. Logorrhea

    Ace Guest

    Sounds more like stalking to me.
     
    Ace, Nov 12, 2003
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    Ginge Guest

    To be it sounds like sad, lonely, obsession.
     
    Ginge, Nov 12, 2003
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  10. Logorrhea

    Pip Guest

    ^^

    Still got the dreaded lurgi, then?

    I'd concur, however - with the addition of "twisted".
     
    Pip, Nov 12, 2003
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  11. Logorrhea

    Ginge Guest

    Yes,
    Monday was loose balance and feel drunk day.
    Tuesday was sneeze day.
    Today appears to be cough up the contents of my lungs day.

    mmmm chewy.
     
    Ginge, Nov 12, 2003
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  12. Logorrhea

    CT Guest


    Still got that cold then?
     
    CT, Nov 12, 2003
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  13. Local and national. But then again, Ireland and the UK had reciprocal
    voting rights before the EU came into being.

    However, I'm fairly sure the latest piece of electoral registerial bumph
    through the door mentioned that under EU regs I could vote until I was
    blue in the face in any election.

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    Dave

    GS 850 x2 / SE 6a
    SbS#6? DIAABTCOD#16 APOSTLE#16? FUB#3
    FUB KotL OSOS#12? UKRMMA#19
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Nov 12, 2003
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