Where was the anticipation here?

This is because a lot of us have been injured by them.

And, which you don't seem to have considered despite your
oh-so-encyclopaedic knowledge of road safety: most motorcyclists also
drive cars. Most car drivers do not ride bikes, so in most respects they
haven't a clue what they're talking about wrt bikes.

 

To be fair, so are most self-appointed safety "experts", but he does
seem to be erring towards the "insanely boring" end of the meter scale.

 

Oh yes - I see now

Surely that little look out would have given the biker a clue that the
driver was thinking more of the car in front than the bike behind.

 

Mutual consideration would be nice though. Car drivers are always being told
to "think bike" but many riders are inclined to think only of themselves,
like many car drivers, yet are first to complain when they contribute to
their accidents.

Many riders also seem to think they can police the roads themselves by
kicking cars or ripping off mirrors if a driver annoys them - I don't see
that as fair game.

 

I've argued for a long time that the CBT should be part of the car
driving test.

heh, just cos you've got a motorbike doesn't mean you're not a twat.
Road rage doesn't discriminate.

 

Raymond Keattch () gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying :

It's not a very interesting video.

Some twats could have bothered looking & thinking.

Next.

 

Nah, 100 per cent the Driver's fault. He pulled out into an overtaking
vehicle.

That fact that the Rider was a twat and could *see* that the vehicle
was going to do long before the corner and chose to put himself on the
vehicles off side is irrelevant to the allocation of blame.

If I walk up to an armed yardie and tell him he's a **** to his face
and shoots me in the face he's still 100 per cent to blame, even if I
could easily have predicted and prevented it.

 

Only one person from the mototcycle group, has bothered to tell us why car
drivers would benefit from riding a motorbike. That person said the
experience would help with forward observation and anticipation. I would
like the motorcycle group to tell me why they think the RoSPA car course
wouldn't give this (Roadcraft) where the bike course would (Roadcraft).

I keep hearing a crash would hurt more on a bike, but this is not
motivation enough to learn more - you only have to look at the number of
riders/drivers who use the roads like pillocks every day. What is required
is a desire to gain more skill through training, thus gaining a better
understanding of the challenges faced by other road users - including
bikes. This is what I have said all along - any benefit from actually
riding the bike would be forgotten by most drivers soon after having the
experience - look how many pass the driving test and throw away the
knowledge gained soon after.

What I find very disappointing is the slating I am getting from that
group, despite me gaining the skills they want to see more of on the road.
The poster I am replying to uses the sarcastic phrase "oh-so-encyclopaedic
knowledge" - I thought you desired good knowledge and manners from car
drivers?

In the video I posted, I wouldn't have made any move until the bike was
past - it would be far faster than me and have far better acceleration. It
was so obvious it wanted to pass, why hold them up waiting for me to
complete the overtake?

 

I agree - one reason why I posted the video link.

There are a lot of "twats" in both camps as you say - I considered it an
excellent example of how a little bit of thought could have avoided the
accident.

The video clearly shows both to be at fault. I agree with you I should
target drivers, that is the biggest reason why I became an observer with
the IAM, and why I continued my own learning with a further course with
RoSPA, passing it at gold standard. I was pleased with that pass, because
it meant I had done all I could to be a safer driver.

As one who has done what riders would like to see, I am baffled by the
response :-(

 

I thought you wanted drivers to become safer - it appears not from your
posts. I think you are reinforcing the stereotype image car drivers have
of motorcyclists and that is a big shame.

 

Considering the car pulled out just after a bend, how was the rider
supposed to get a good run up?

 

You've never ridden a powerful motorbike, have you?

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Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Raymond Keattch

You're not getting any less tedious.

I don't suppose you'd consider dying in an amusing way? It's the only
way I can see to liven your act up.

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Can't you read, that was explained, the suzookist failed to use the solid
white line to his advantage[1].
1. Either on one wheel or two.

 

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Yup, he's bent the needle against the stop.

 

But learned nothing whatever about bikes. Ho hum.

 

What a shallow mind you must have.

 

Thats ok then - when the rider looks at the smashed up bike at least he
can think I wasn't to blame.

 

OK, you've decided to lecture us. Please give a reasoned analysis of
the main differences in acceleration and rider/driver visibility
between (let's choose a couple of popular examples) a BMW 330 car and
a BMW R1200GS bike. Include performance data, rider/driver visibility,
and essential handling and braking characteristics. Add how these may
change under certain conditions, and itemise those conditions. Please
include the effect of braking and accelerating on key suspension items
such as geometry and how this may or may not affect handling and
performance. You have 10 minutes.

 

No, he's 100% responsible for his actions, but you still get some of the
blame for your death.