Where was the anticipation here?

Riders or drivers fault?

http://www.break.com/index/stupid_driver_causes_bike_crash.html

IMHO it always takes two and this is a good example.

The car driver did not anticipate the bikers move to overtake. The signs
were very clear the overtake was a possibilty - the bike had been there
for a long time, its positioning and the start of a straight. The car
driver did not anticipate the move, neither did he observe before moving
out.

The rider showed a complete lack of anticipation too. Once the straight
was entered it was a possibility the car may overtake (look at the shadow
of the car ahead - very close following position). The rider should have
waited to see how this situation developed. I also don't like the way the
rider just went for the overtake. Instead of moving to the left to get a
clear view THEN accelerating, the rider just goes for it. Also, look at
the riders reflection in the speedo. As the rider accelerates, the
attention is fully in the mirror - not ahead.

Both showed a lack of observation, anticipation and good sense. This
accident was easily avoidable by both of them.

 

Driver of the red car seems a long way back from the car in front for the
overtake, doesn't appear to indicate. I'm guessing he was not awate of the
bike.

 

It doesn't always take two.
Some times you can take all reasonable precautions and still get hit.

Yep , it's obvious that the car wants to overtake.
I ride a bike and wouldn't have tried to pass there until I was sure the car
wasn't going to pull over as well.

Yep , both at fault , arguably more for the car driver but the bike rider
got hurt more
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You're missing the overwhelming factor here - if the bike rider had
overtaken in a sensible place, instead of waiting until he didn't have
a solid white line, he'd have avoided the issue altogether. Also he
was riding far too slowly - at any decent speed he'd have been past
the red car two seconds into the clip and the rest of the traffic
before he actually started to overtake at all.

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You are not a good advertisement for motorcyclists. It would be as easy to
say the car driver should have started the overtake on the bend, before
the bike was there.

 

Point taken, but in the majority of accidents it takes two. IMHO a good
driver will always think what they could have done better, rather than
automatically blame the other.

 

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I bet you're a wow at parties.

 

He's too close the the fucking car and over takes like a ****.

 

Guys, as a biker and a car driver I can tell you that the car driver
is not at fault. The standard practice manual for motorcyclists on the
road is Roadcraft. This is what the Police bikers teach and they're
generally considered to be a benchmark for defensive riding. What you
see in the film is a text book example of riding like a Sunday
warrior. The rider got what he deserved in my opinion. If you treat
the road like a track this is the risk you take.

 

Looking at your signature and your reply, doesn't help the motorcycle case
at all.

 

Now isn't that strange - the same manual used at RoSPA and the IAM for car
drivers.

 

I agree, the bike was sat in the blindspot and the car was definitely lining
up to go as soon as possible (watch the brake lights, he was obviously
itching to go faster).

 

Not really, cars are not allowed to cross a solid white line, the Suzook
rider failed to use
this fact to his advantage and was duly punished.

 

Not strange but true.

Don't get me wrong, I have a sportsbike and I enjoy "playing with the
traffic" but while doing so I fully accept the risks that I am taking.
I've done some advanced training and also some track training so I
fully understand the difference between the two riding styles.

The guy in the film is a good example of someone on a powerful bike
with neither the road knowledge to ride defensively nor the track
skills to deal with the situation.

Added to which he's got a Cam on the tank for fucks sake so he's
hardly making a film about how sensible he is.

 

Ah, an IAM fiend. OK, all becomes clear.

"We know better than you."

 

Plus he didn't attempt the overtake on one wheel. He had it coming,
really.

 

Absolutely.

http://www.horrible.demon.co.uk/images/policebikeincement.jpg

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Could be a lobbyist as well...

 

Oi! We're well overdue for a few beers.

 

Oh, it's much, *much* better than that.

He failed his driving instructor exams.