Where can we get statistics of which BIKES pass the California DMVriding test?

Oh, yes. That reminds me of the first student pilot who told me about
"turns around a point."

He turned out to be gay...

 

Um-hum. But isn't it a bit odd how all the people you've ever known
have turned out to be gay?

I mean, given that the odds are less than one in ten, you'd think that
at least a *few* of your friends would have been straight; but I
suppose it's a case of "like attracts like".

 

Hi Tim,
How is that sour grapes? I passed the MSF riding test. Easily. Why would
I have sour grapes about that? They gave me a free pass for my license.
All I had to do was wait a few months to get into the class and pay $200
for the free license.

I can even pass the California DMV test, sometimes. Not many. But some
times. Even when I'm not the judge - because the only way to know (since
you can't even SEE the lines) is to have someone else grade you.

That still doesn't change the fact that the DMV test is designed to
funnel people into the MSF class and that bigger bore bikes will have a
difficult time circling an outside radius of 21 feet 9 inches every
single time with zero errors allowed in both directions after and before
gentle swerving and straightaways.

Since we don't seem to have ANY statistics for ANY state for which bikes
passed/failed their respective DMV tests, we're all guessing.

And, guess what. My guess is as good as yours (sans data).

 

I don't recall ever saying "DMV class" (please show where it was said by
me); but if I did, it was a typo. There's an MSF class; but not a DMV
class.

Just like there's a DMV riding test; and an MSF riding test.

I already explained that I've taken both riding tests. They have NOTHING
in common (as copiously explained already).

Why do you think they have nothing in common?

The only way these two tests could have nothing in common, is if they are
designed to funnel people from one to the other. You fail the DMV test,
you pass the MSF test. It's that simple.

But, don't take it from me. If we had the statistics, they'd show what
I'm saying incontrovertibly.

I'll wager the statistics will conclusively show that larger bore bikes
VERY OFTEN fail the DMV riding test. And, that almost everyone passes the
MSF riding test (after paying the MSF over $200 for the privilege) on
those tiny toy bikes.

 

Hi Bob,
I think you totally missed the point.

The post you're referring to was contrasting the DMV riding test with the
MSF riding test realism.

Are you actually saying the DMV riding test is more realistic than the MSF
riding test?

I can't believe that since NOBODY else has ever said that (nor will they).

What ARE you trying to say about the difference between the DMV riding
test and the MSF riding test?

And, what has that got to do with the statistics of which bikes pass?

 

Hi Beav,

First of all, whether the rider passes or fails, the bike is logged.
The DMV told me it's for statistics; and I'm trying to get those
statistics.

As for WHY anyone would want statistics ... you're joking right?

I'm sure there isn't a business in the world that doesn't do some kind of
basic statistics on their customers. For a DMV, it's a basic statistic
what bikes show up, which pass, which fail.

I can see a LOT of information coming out of those statistics that the DMV
would find useful (and dangerous were we to know them).

For example, if you saw that 99% of the K1200RS riders failed the test,
wouldn't it tell you something. Especially if 99% of the Goldwing riders
(if this group can be believed) passed it?

The DMV, while still being a government agency, is definitely not stupid.
They are keeping good statistics. And they're reporting those statistics
to SOMEONE within the DMV (and likely to the MSF also).

The quest is to get a hold of those statistics. I'm sure it will make a
liar out of a lot of us! I, for one, am not afraid of the facts.

 

OK. I found where it was. It's clearly a typo. There was a paragraph
about the DMV test and the MSF test. In the paragraph of the MSF test, I
contrasted the MSF test with the DMV test. During one of the contrasts, I
accidentally typed 'class' instead of 'test'.

Wow. Picky group. You'd think you could tell from the content and context
that I clearly meant DMV test ... but hey, I typed it so I'll take the
insults.

I apologize. Yes. You are right. There is no "DMV class". It was all a
huge mistake on my part. You are correct. I am sorry.

Now back to those statistics ... don't we have them ... for ANY state????

 

What do you find so arrogant?

I've simply asked "where can we find the statistics" for any state.

Nobody has the answer.

Yet, they (you) attack the bearer of the question.

Your intellect obviously must tell you something, otherwise you wouldn't
have said what you did. That's fine. That's what a USENET discussion is
all about. Polite people having discussions.

But, I can't tell from your response what your intellect is telling us.

So I must ask directly:

What do YOU think these statistics would tell us?

 

(And that, BTW, was another lie. The MSF course doesn't ever "pass
everyone". Never has. You really don't seem to understand the
difference between truth [which refers to *real* things] and lies;
which are things that you make up; and which *aren't* real.)

No, that's just another self-serving lie; told by someone who can
apparently rationalize just about anything. So into the Bozo Bin with
you.

You'll like it there.

 

<Wearily>

Who cares?

 

Um, no. No it isn't.

Despite your quaint egalitarian notion that your opinion is just as
good as anyone's, in the real world we go to doctors when we're sick,
we go to structural engineers if we need to build a bridge, and we go
ask MSF instructors when we need valid opinions on how and why the MSF
operates.

Q: Have you been an MSF instructor as Tim was for quite some while?
No?

Then he knows what he's talking about, and you don't.

 

No, it is *not* an MSF class.

1. The California Motorcyclist Safety Program is administered by the
California Highway Patrol pursuant to California Vehicle Code section
2931, which established permanent funding for the program in 1994

It is NOT administered by the MSF. The MSF does not administer state
rider training programs, to my knowledge. It provides curricula and
"Rider Coach" certification.

2. The Motorcycle Safety Foundation (MSF) is a national, not-for-
profit organization promoting the safety of motorcyclists with
programs in rider training, operator licensing and public information.
The MSF is sponsored by the U.S. manufacturers and distributors of
BMW, Ducati, Harley-Davidson, Honda, Kawasaki, KTM, Piaggio/Vespa,
Suzuki, Triumph, Victory and Yamaha motorcycles. The Motorcycle
Safety Foundation (MSF) is a developer of rider training curricula and
public information campaigns for motorcyclists.

It is NOT funded by the California Motorcyclist Safety Program

3. Your six-year vendetta has been exposed. Get a life.

 

Of course you're not. You have been on this quixotic "quest" for at
least six years, maybe longer!

 

I don't have any idea. Nor do I care.

My intellect is making me ask why you have consistently ignored the
FACTS that the MSF is NOT profiting from the California Motorcyclist
Safety Program, and continue to insist on calling the CMSP classes
"MSF classes" and continue to propogate the erroneous idea that the
student tuition paid to the CHP-administered California Motorcyclist
Saftey Program rider training programs is paid to, and enriches, the
Motorcycle Safety Foundation.

 

At least you *hope* so. Isn't that why you keep on corresponding with
me, due to the catamite factor that runs in your Carr family line?

 

Picking statements apart to find errors and avoid agreeing with other
users is what rec.motorcycles is all about, it's what these people
*do* for a hobby.

 

Idiot, there's no such things as a family lineage that hasn't featured
a percentage of gays; and that includes *your* lineage.

Yes, even your fictional one.

 

Do you have a problem with reading comprehension? The point was the
"realism," per se, is IRRELEVANT.

Bob M.

 

His words say otherwise ...

 

My buddies are just like you.

They all told me to forget about it. They said the system is rigged. They
all said don't even try to change it or get around it. Just do it. They
all told me to just pay the $250 for the guaranteed license. They joked
it was a bribe to the MSF to let you ride on the road.

Some told me to just consider it a $250 license fee, only you pay the MSF
instead of paying the DMV. So what, they all said.

While you, and they, didn't care, I'll bet some of the 10,000 California
riders a year who are forced to pay $250 for a license might care.