Where can we get statistics of which BIKES pass the California DMVriding test?

It should be a matter of public record which bikes pass the California DMV
riding test and on which try (1st, 2nd, or 3rd).

But where would one get a hold of that public record?

Does anyone here work for the government who might know where that data
is located or whom to ask that would provide it?

 

It should? In what dream world does the DMV collect and distribute
that sort of data? (And can you imagine the well-justified screams
coming from taxpayers who want to know why their tax money was being
wasted that way?) All the DMV cares about is whether or not the
*rider* can pass the test: there are no rules stating that you must
ride certain bikes or even that the bike must be your own.

If you don't feel up to taking the California DMV test on your own
bike, then go borrow a street-legal dual sport trials bike somewhere
and do it that way.

 

The DMV writes down every motorcycle that takes the test and the status.
Anyone who has taken the test has to fill out the forms.

They have the statistics.

The question is how to get those statistics.

 

This question isn't about your emotion; it's about the truth.

If anyone has an idea of how to obtain the statistics from the California
DMV (i.e., the truth), let me know.

Thanks.

 

Hi Twibil,

Did you ever take the California DMV test? Did you ever fill out the
forms. Guess what is on those forms? Yup. You guessed it. The bike.

They have this information.

The question isn't whether or not YOU can pass the test nor if I can (I
have my license already); the question is how to get the statistics.

I don't know how to get a hold of those statistics; but I'm surprised
NOBODY here knows how to get a hold of those statistics.

Don't any bikers work for the government?

 

Oh sure. And I suppose you'd have us believe this
is not yet another one of those government coverups ?

Don't make me laugh.

 

Yes. And the truth is that several people from this forum alone have
passed the test on either their first or second try, just as many
other people pass that same test on all sorts of bikes all the time.

If your emotions can't deal with that, and your ego demands that you
call them liars because it makes you feel better about your own
limited skills, it frankly isn't anyone's problem but your own.

 

Yes. And passed it on the first try on a '98 Honda VFR, despite not
being the world's most skilled rider.

But of course if you'd actually read the thread you'd already have
known that...

Poor soul, do you really not understand that nobody bothers to keep
track of that sort of thing? That the DMV has *always* been
chronically understaffed and overworked, and that that's why you used
to have to stand in line for at least an hour to get your new driver's
license (or whatever) and that that was the case long *before* the
current staffing and budget cutbacks? That writing info down on a
form has zilch to do with actually having someone collate the data and
store it somewhere? And that it would have taken untold -and
unbudgeted- hours to do so for no worthwhile return so far as the DMV
is concerned?

Sorry; the DMV doesn't work like that. And never did.

Sorry. Just saying so doesn't make it true.

Sure they do. I even know a couple.

 

Face it: the coverup here is that "Joe Schmoe" and "JM" are the same
guy; trolling because he couldn't pass the riding test and wants to
blame anyone other than himself for that fact.

 

Sorry, JoeSchmoe, but the rules of rec.motorcycles (aka "reeky")
prohibit actually anwering any newbie's question.

The obnoxious clique inhabiting reeky will argue endlessly and insult
the newbie and each other, but will *never* give him any useful
information.

 

As opposed to the above, far more helpful, response.

 

Why must people always scoff and sneer at these
courageous posters and call them trolls ?

You guys act like they're obsessive nutjobs instead
of dedicated crusaders, in this case, seeking to
uncover an evil conspiracy between the treasonous
and corrupt California DMV and the Motorcycle Safety
Foundation.

I pity you for your naivete. Unless of course
you're one of the conspiracies many minions
......hmmmm !!!

I hereby propose a new newsgroup,
rec.motorcycles.conspiracies.

And maybe rec.motorcycles.conspiracies.tech
for those truth seekers who get picked on when
offering advice on motorcycle repair.

 

You're totally right about the lack of useful information!

However, I'm actually not a newbie (I've been here for years under other
nyms under other ISPs before I moved) ... but it does seem that the rest
of what you said is so very true.

The fact that I don't know where to get the statistics was clear from the
start. I had asked the DMV personnel by phone and they said the
statistics are private. I can't believe that's true. It must be shared
with someone, otherwise they wouldn't collect it for every single biker
who ever took the California DMV test.

Anyway, after a score of responses, all we get is people who don't know
the answer. But, I'm an optimistic soul.

Please let us know if you actually know something about how to obtain the
California-DMV-compiled statistics for which bikes pass/fail the riding
test. The results would be enormously enlightening.

 

Twibil,

With all due respects, why are you so afraid of the facts?

If you don't know the answer to the question, can you just kindly bug out
as your responses are not at all helpful to find out a simple fact.

I ask again:

Does anyone work for the DMV on this group that can provide us with the
facts of which bikes pass and which bikes fail?

 

Hi DF,

That might be true ... but ... all we would need is a single day's
results (or any other statistically valid sample).

Long ago, I had asked the manager of the local DMV what they do with the
bike information and she said they use it to compile statistics,
especially when I told her a larger bike couldn't pass, she said that
plenty did ... which is fine by me ... just prove it ...

When I asked her how to get the statistics, she said she didn't know.

So, all these statements that larger bikes pass "all the time" may or may
not be true ... but when I get a handle on the true pass/fail figures,
we'd all learn a lot from the information.

Don't you think it would be INTERESTING to see the results if even for a
day or a week or a month?

If anyone knows whom to ask for these statistics, completed daily by
every DMV in the state, please respond. TIA

 

Nice of you to re-introduce yourself to your old, on-line friends.

Wonder why one would feel it necessary to cloak himself in anonymity?

Also interesting is just *whom* considers reeky to be inhabited by an
"obnoxious clique," yet cannot seem to muster the personal fortitude
to look elsewhere for online motorcycling discussion.

And now, the same seems to be true for our "old friend" "Joe," who
must know many of those who are responding to him, as many have been
here for ten years or longer.

 

Hi Rob,

I'm trying to respond to all serious respondents as a usenet courtesy
extended to all, even you and Twibil.

Why do you feel I should be afraid of the facts?

All I am asking for is the fact of which bikes took the test and what
were the results. The results, for even a day, would be enlightening.

You seem to think that anyone looking for facts is a paranoid
conspirationalist (I made up that word just for you).

Obviously the facts are uninteresting to you...

However, if anyone else thinks that the facts of which bikes passed/
failed the DMV riding test might be interesting, then THOSE are the
people I ask the question below ...

Do you have any idea whom to contact in the California government to
obtain those facts?

 

The DMV completes the statistics. Ask the DMV for the statistics. If
they cannot provide them, then you are probably out of luck.

Or, you can contact your state senator or state representative and ask
them to inquire on your behalf.

Or, you can contact your state rider's rights organization(s) and ask
them to inquire on your behalf.

Or, you can contact the AMA and ask them if they can inquire on your
behalf.

If the state of California has a state version of the federal FOIA,
you can request the documents under that program.

You're welcome in advance.

 

And to think, I thought I had fooled you that my true name was "Joe
Schmoe"!

Just to be clear, JM is the same as JS.
Just look at the headers.
They are both just nyms.
I change my nym every week.
I'll have a different nym next week. So what?
The questions are still valid.

The two questions are related.
- Does anyone know if Arnold took his own riding test: Answer: No.
- Does anyone know where to get DMV pass/fail stats: Answer: So far, No.

So far, nobody knows any more than I do about the simple answer to these
two questions. And, well, that's pretty sad.

But, I'm always optimistic because the usenet has pulled through for me
(and millions of others) in the past ... notwithstanding guys like you
and Kleinschmidt who are trying to be helpful but who don't have the
answer to the question and therefore bring everyone down to their level
that they can sustain a conversation.

Back to the topic please ...

If you DO know the answer, please let us know.

TIA
signed,
The 'nym' currently known as Joe Schmoe
Psssst. Rob ... that's not "really" my true name ...

 

Hi Rob,
I'm trying to be courteous but you do seem to drop the level of the
responses down to yours.

Let me ask you a question please ...

If you don't have a clue as to the answer ... why do you continue to
respond?

And, the question I ask myself ... why haven't I put you in the
killfile ... although I do have the optimistic belief that out there on
the usenet, someone knows the answer to the question as I can't be the
first on the planet to ask every time.

Back to the question (as SOMEONE must know the answer):
- Do you know how to obtain facts about what bikes pass the test and what
bikes do not pass the test?

I think we might need to widen this question to other 49 states at this
point because those in California, including me, are clueless (so far) ...