Wheelies (how to)

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Alan Crowder, Feb 17, 2004.

  1. Alan Crowder

    Alan Crowder Guest

    OK...i know we have some experts here and this question has been asked
    before
    but i'm asking it now.

    I have an SP1, *sometimes* the front wheel goes light on me, and more often
    than
    not the back wheel slides out a bit causing heart palputations, after all i
    am an old git.

    But i want to be able to do controlled wheelies, i want to learn properly
    and take it steady
    and hopefully dont drop the bike, that becomes expensive. Should i start on
    a little
    125 or something?

    Confidence i gues is the key?

    Alan
     
    Alan Crowder, Feb 17, 2004
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  2. Alan Crowder

    flashgorman Guest

    Step one. Start engine.
    Step two. Rev engine until needle is in the bit marked in red - known in the
    trade as "The Wheelie Zone".
    Step three. Release clutch quickly. Hold tight.
     
    flashgorman, Feb 17, 2004
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  3. Alan Crowder

    Tim Guest

    [snip]

    Go to a school, for example http://www.thewheelieschool.co.uk/ and get
    professional advice.

    --
    Tim two#21, YGL#3 & BOTAFOT#84

    Due to the limitations of current email, the lip movements may be
    out of synchronisation as you move your finger under the text while reading.

    tim dot ukrm2 at dsl dot pipex dot com
     
    Tim, Feb 17, 2004
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  4. Alan Crowder

    Alan Crowder Guest

    And you can f**k right offski.
    :)

    Alan
     
    Alan Crowder, Feb 17, 2004
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  5. Alan Crowder

    flashgorman Guest

    Forgot to mention that one should shout "Geronimo" at step three.
     
    flashgorman, Feb 17, 2004
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  6. Alan Crowder

    Sorby Guest

    *Ding* - the quickest way to get this confidence without crashing would be
    to attend one of the many wheelie schools advertised in <cough>MCN</cough>

    The quickest way to get this confidence with an increased risk of crashing
    (most likely from flipping it or launching badly so the bike comes crashing
    down off-line) is to just get out there, find a nice straight strip of
    tarmac with no pot-holes etc and practice practice practice.

    It takes time but each extra inch higher the front wheel goes gives you the
    confidence that it's not going to flip at that height.
    And after a while you'll be wondering what you were so worried about because
    you can get the front *very* high without fear of flipping it.

    For me the secret is to be consistent, confident & positive about the
    launch. Being consistent (i.e. launching in a similar way each time) brings
    confidence. Confidence helps to reduce the worrying thoughts that distract
    you from the important things that make a wheelie work. Launching positively
    is important because the bike is working hardest when it's trying to get the
    front off the ground - the higher it gets the less power is needed to keep
    it rising - so that's where you need to have good throttle control - small
    changes in throttle - small body movements (if any).

    In your case it sounds like you're overwhelming the rear tyre - perhaps
    they're too cold - but more likely you're being too ham-fisted with the
    throttle or dumping the clutch too savagely - combine with you leaning too
    far forward over the tank.

    So my advice would be to either 'dial in' less throttle before dumping the
    clutch and/or dump the clutch less savagely - or if you're not using the
    clutch at all then obviously be a little less savage with the throttle.

    Once you've got most of your attempted wheelies to the stage where the front
    goes light or a few inches off the ground then you can start making small
    adjustments to your technique.
    These could include sitting more upright or further back in the seat - with
    your arms more outstretched - instead of hugging the tank like you were
    trying to ride under a car-park barrier!
    Also, start to increase the amount of revs/throttle. Once you're used to
    shifting your weight back a little the back wheel will be a little less
    likely to spin up.

    Just my take on it - your mileage may vary, etc etc

    p.s. I wouldn't bother with a 125 - you can wheelie them but it'll be a ****
    of a lot harder than wheelying a SP1.
     
    Sorby, Feb 17, 2004
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  7. Alan Crowder

    Pip Guest

    Bonus points for getting as far as the "o", obviously.

    If it turns into "Geronimaaaargh!" points _will_ be deducted, although
    there is a chance to redeem yourself with artistic impression and
    style points, dependent on the attitude of the motorcycle when you
    part company, number of subsequent cartwheels and attitude when coming
    to a halt. Much like caber tossing, iyswim.
     
    Pip, Feb 17, 2004
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  8. Alan Crowder

    flashgorman Guest

    I believe that maximum style is achieved when, in the inlikely event of
    remaining on your feet when the bike takes its leave, you then saunter
    casually back to the assembled onlookers giving the impression that the
    whole thing was intentional.
     
    flashgorman, Feb 17, 2004
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  9. Alan Crowder

    Pip Guest

    Absolutely.

    Bonuses available for lighting a fag on the walk and totally ignoring
    the agonised death crunches as your bike finally comes to rest, having
    left a trail of its components down the road. Oh, and not crying adds
    to the cred yet further.
     
    Pip, Feb 17, 2004
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  10. Alan Crowder

    flashgorman Guest

    And round it off by slapping the bikes actual owner on the back and saying
    "I reckon now's the time to start that streetfighter project".
     
    flashgorman, Feb 17, 2004
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  11. Alan Crowder

    MN Guest

    Superbike Magazine gave away a video with two lessons

    1. No clutch just hold in 2nd gear at about 20-25 mph and open the throttle
    until the front comes up then shut off and get used to the nose coming up

    then

    2. introduction of the clutch

    They may still have copies available ?

    MN
     
    MN, Feb 17, 2004
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  12. I was watching the "Run wot you brung" at the "Bulldog Bash" one year.
    Someone with a *very new* large capacity sports bike was on the line.
    His "friends" had told him that to get off the line quickly you have to:
    Get the RPM just short of the rev limiter.
    When the lights go green drop the clutch and give it full throttle at
    the same time and hold on.

    If it hadn't been so expensive it would have been funny. The bike leapt
    out from under him rotating upwards and at an angle because he was still
    holding on to the throttle. As it tried to destroy itself it took out
    the christmas tree lights as well.
     
    Mick Whittingham, Feb 17, 2004
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  13. Alan Crowder

    Cane Guest

    I've got a copy if you want it. It's very good IMO.
     
    Cane, Feb 17, 2004
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  14. Sorby wrote
    All the more cred to the wheelier then IMHO. If any **** can wheelie
    and SP1 and it takes skill to raise a 125 then I know who my adulation
    is going to.
     
    steve auvache, Feb 17, 2004
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  15. Although being over-confident is a killer

    This stage is usually reached just after you learn to get the front
    wheel up every time

    --
    Veggie Dave
    UKRMHRC#2 BOTAFOF#08
    IQ 18 FILMS http://www.iq18films.com
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    Put Out The Lights On The Age Of Reason
     
    Veggie Meldrew, Feb 17, 2004
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  16. Scare yourself shitless at 90mph

    Yeah, sounds like a great idea to me...

    --
    Veggie Dave
    UKRMHRC#2 BOTAFOF#08
    IQ 18 FILMS http://www.iq18films.com
    V&S Extreme Photography http://www.bikehouse.demon.co.uk
    Extreme Racing http://www.veggie-dave.co.uk
    Put Out The Lights On The Age Of Reason
     
    Veggie Meldrew, Feb 17, 2004
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  17. Alan Crowder

    entwisi Guest

    <fx:makes mental note about CIHAGM fest at BSOM to not let flash anywhere
    near the Varadero>
     
    entwisi, Feb 17, 2004
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  18. Alan Crowder

    HooDooWitch Guest

    <dutifully>
    I don't think flash can get it up. ;)
     
    HooDooWitch, Feb 17, 2004
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  19. Alan Crowder

    flashgorman Guest

    I don't think I could even manage to get *on* a Varadero.
     
    flashgorman, Feb 17, 2004
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  20. Alan Crowder

    Steve Parry Guest

    In

    http://www.dhpmoto.com/Reports/Wheelie/01406301.rm

    (requires Real Media Player)
    --
    Steve Parry

    http://www.gwynfryn.co.uk

    K100RS SE
    F650
     
    Steve Parry, Feb 19, 2004
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