What a lovely religion this is.

After reading this short article I had to ask, where do I sign up to
this charming religion?

Ian

THE DEAD HAND OF ISLAM
(By Colin Maine)

There has been a resurgence of Islam recently. This has plunged the
countries where this has happened into the dark ages. They have been
set back a thousand years.

In THE SYDNEY MORNING HERALD dated 13.2.79 it was reported that
Pakistan is going to bring back stoning. Moslems caught drinking
alcohol will be given 80 lashes, and thieves will have either their
foot or hand cut off.

In Iran men are sent to the firing squads on charges of "warring
against God and his emissaries". Courts have frozen pending divorces
by women.

"Three girls' secondary schools were closed after being raided by
Khomeini's supporters, and unveiled women were being attacked in the
streets...Women who were protesting about Khomeini's speech telling
women in the government to wear clothes covering hair, neck, arms and
feet, were threatened with shouts of 'get dressed or get beaten'."

Also in Iran, Moslem demonstrators shouting "purification by fire",
set alight the red light district in Tehran. Prostitutes were
attacked, brothels, bars and nightclubs looted.

An Abadan cinema was set alight and 377 people were burnt alive. Those
who set fire to it closed the exit doors from the outside, and
systematically set it ablaze at its four corners. NEWSWEEK, September
4, 1978 reported that there had been 30 cinema fires in Iran in the
previous month.

It was reported on February 6, 1978 that the 23-year-old Princess
Misha was executed in Jiddah either for marrying a commoner or
adultery.

In Malaysia Moslem fanatics have been invading Hindu temples and
smashing their images and gods. This could start a religious war.
There are some Moslems who are demanding that the Islamic punishment
of stoning and whipping be imposed.

On the Australian Broadcasting Commission radio news on May 9, 1979 it
was reported that in Iran militant Moslems announced that they
intended to convert the world to Islam, and that their first task was
to "root out deviations."

These events are not as Moslems apologists assert, aberrations but an
inevitable outcome of the basic teachings of Islam. All can be
justified either by the KORAN or by the HADITHS--the traditions
concerning the acts and sayings of Mohammed. Both are considered a
guide as to how life should be ordered in an Islamic society.

The KORAN was written down 20 years after Mohammed's death, and the
first HADITH 220 years after his death. Many HADITHS were invented in
the intervening years to support a particular course of action.

According to both HADITH and KORAN, Islam must be the world's most
oppressive religion. It is undemocratic; it is puritanical; it is
barbarously punitive; it oppresses women; its laws are cruel to
animals; it is intolerant towards other religions; it is
anti-intellectual; it places restrictions upon art.

CRUEL PUNISHMENTS

CRUCIFIXION. This is permitted by the KORAN for "Making war against
Allah and his messengers".

FLOGGING. 100 lashes is given for adultery or fornication. 80 lashes
is given for bearing false witness. (Here this is only mentioned in
reference to charges against chaste women).

Flogging is also given for drinking alcohol. No punishment is
prescribed in the KORAN for this. It merely states that it is a sin
and an abomination. In practice in many Moslem countries, 80 lashes is
the penalty for merely drinking a glass of wine.

Yet there is no mention whatever in the KORAN about drugs, and in
countries like Iran where alcohol is strictly forbidden, there are
estimated to be 2 million drug addicts; heroin and hashish are openly
sold in the streets, and ''addicts huddle by an open drain with rags
over their heads inhaling amid a stench of stale urine."

MUTILATION. "As to the thief, male or female, cut off his or her
hands." So not just one hand is to be cut off but both of them.

WOMEN TO BE IMMURED. "If any of your women are guilty of lewdness,
take the evidence of four reliable witnesses from amongst you against
them; and if they testify, confine them to their houses until Death do
claim them, or Allah ordain for them some other way." So for some
vague sexual trifle women can be locked up for their entire life.

PENALTY FOR MURDER. The KORAN seems to regard sexual misdemeanours as
being more reprehensible than murder. For killing another human being,
one has only to make a compensation to the relatives of the person
killed. These are the only references I could find in the KORAN to
punishment, so for most crimes we have to rely on the HADITH.

STONING. Though there is no mention in the KORAN about stoning for
adultery, Mohammed did use the punishment according to a HADITH. One
account says that a man who had become a Moslem confessed to
fornication. Mohammed ordered him to be stoned at the Musalla (Mosque
outside Medina). When the stones struck him he ran away, but he was
caught and stoned until he was dead. Then Mohammed spoke well of him
and prayed over him.

Another HADITH relates that a Jew and Jewess were brought before
Mohammed for fornication. Omar relates:

"They were stoned on the level ground and I saw the man leaning over
the woman to shield her from the stones."

I find this story rather far fetched, as it relates that the Jew was
brought a BIBLE, and was told to read from it. He is supposed to have
tried to cover the words about stoning with his hand. He would have
been extremely stupid to have tried to do this in full view of a group
of Moslems, as this would only draw attention to the words.

Women will be happy to know that it is considered laudable to spare
their modesty should they be stoned. A hole dug, and she is buried up
to her waist before she is killed by having rocks thrown at her.

The DICTIONARY OF ISLAM says that stoning "has become almost obsolete
in modern times." So this religion is becoming more repressive, not
less. The victims will be happy to know that they will get the full
funeral rites.

THE OPPRESSION OF WOMEN

Islam is very harsh on women, particularly in sexual matters. The
KORAN says: "Your wives are as filth unto you. So approach your filth
when or how ye will." The word 'filth' comes from till--to work by
plowing, sowing, and raising crops from.

So a man can have sex with one of his wives at any time, and in any
way that he wants. The woman does not have similar rights. As
punishment, the KORAN says that if women are disloyal their husbands
should refuse to sleep with them. Sexuality in women seems to be
considered undesirable. The KORAN ways that slaves girls should be
"chaste, not lustful." In the Moslem heaven men will be given
dark-eyed virgins who are perpetually young. There is no mention of
women being provided with virile young men, so they had better take
their knitting with them as there will be little else to do. The only
pleasures described in the KORAN are sitting on thrones, walking
through gardens eating fruits, and drinking heavily wine (which does
not even intoxicate).

As Ramon Lull said of it: What will their paradise be but a tavern of
unwearied gorging, and a brothel of perpetual turpitude?"

ISLAM HYPOCRITICAL ON SEX

The Moslem religion is completely hypocritical on sexual matters and
it is all in favor of the men. The mere performance of ceremony
permits a man to have sex with any of his four wives in any manner and
at any time.

Also the KORAN permits men to use women captured in war for their
sexual amusement. They can also be bought. Mohammed himself received
two slave girls as a present from the governor of Egypt. One he gave
to a man called Hassan, and the other he kept for himself, and she
subsequently had a son by him. The KORAN allows a Moslem to have as
many concubines as he wants.

The SOCIAL LAWS OF THE KORAN says: "...he is permitted to cohabit with
his female slave. In this case nothing is said as to number; they are
allowed to him without any restriction whatever."

Yet Islam punishes women more severely than men for sexual offenses.
In a Moslem country this year a man and a woman were flogged for
adultery. The man got 25 lashes and the woman 100 lashes.

On June 19, 1979 it was reported in THE AUSTRALIAN that an Iranian
woman was executed for having illicit sexual relations. The man
involved got a lighter sentence. The report said that the woman was
put to death by her mother, father and a brother.

Though he placed such severe restrictions on women, Mohammed himself
had as much sex as he wanted. His wife Ayesha who he married when she
was 10, and he was 53 said of Mohammed: "He loved three things, women,
perfume and food, and of the first two he had his heart's desire.

Mohammed had 11 wives, as well as concubines, even though he
restricted his followers to four wives. A 'special revelation' from
Allah permitted him to have as many wives as he liked. Oddly enough
his revelations always seemed to tell him the sort of things that he
wanted to know.

We have already seen that women can be punished for lewdness with life
imprisonment. Yet the following verse of the KORAN says: "If two men
among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and
amend let them both alone."

As two men are mentioned this must only refer to homosexuality. One
translation says "punish them lightly".

When he tires of one of his wives a Moslem can get rid of her by a
mere verbal formula. The SOCIAL LAWS OF THE KORAN says "The ceremony
of divorce among Muhammedans is very simple, the husband merely saying
'Thou art divorced' or 'I herewith dismiss thee'." The KORAN does not
give a woman the right to a divorce for any reason whatsoever.

Women are also oppressed in other ways, and are regarded as being
very much inferior beings. The KORAN says that men are a degree above
them and that they should be obedient to their husbands, and that for
disloyalty they can be beaten.

THE VEIL

It was Mohammed who imposed the veil on women. Millions of women
through large parts of the world in the last 1200 years have never
been able to go out without wearing the veil.
I have myself spent 1-1/2 years in Aden, not far south of the area
where Mohammed spent his life. I have seen women completely covered
with veils that cover their entire faces in humidity so high that as
soon as one puts on a shirt it is soaking with sweat.

If they had appeard unveiled they would probably have been killed. It
is worth noting that the Moslem religion mostly exists in countries
that are near the Equator, so this impost_ tion of the veil is not a
trivial matter.

CLITORECTOMY

The Islamic law says of circumcision and clitorectomy, "It is an
obligation for men and women to do it for themselves and their
children, and if they neglect it, the Imam may force them to it for it
is right and necessary."

In THE SYDNEY MORNING HERALD of January 16, 1979 there was an article
on clitorectomy (female circumcision) in Egypt. Nawal Alsa'adawi, the
Egyptian gynaecologist and psychiatrist, was reported to have said:
"You can't separate sexual oppression from political and religious
oppression."

In an article on the practice it was claimed that nearly all of the
young girls in Egyptian villages, where most of the people live, are
circumcised. The article went on: "This circumcision is, in effect,
castration of women. For the women the pleasure of sex is gone."

Some of the girls bleed to death. Others develop abcesses. The article
claimed that the religious establishment found her view too
threatening. Nawal defended Islam, and claimed that it was not
responsible for these circumcisions, and that Mohammed was progressive
in regard to women. I have shown in my section on this that this was
not the case. She could hardly do otherwise in a country as religious
as Egypt. She has enough of a problem trying to prevent these
mutilations from taking place, without challenging the very basis of
the religion itself.

WOMEN BEFORE ISLAM

Women had a much higher status in Arabia before Islam. There are
accounts of women fighting in battles, riding across the desert,
visiting men alone, and taking part in public debates.

Each of these stories ends with the words: "This was before the
Apostle received the revelation about veiling." The freedom women
enjoyed before Islam is shown by the example of Khadija, Mohammed's
first wife. She was an heiress, and business woman, and she proposed
to him.

Women took a great part in the apposition to Mohammed. One of his
foremost opponents was Hind the wife of Abu Sofian, the leader of the
Meccans.

When Mohammed finally marched on Mecca and captured it, Abu Sofian
made a speech to the people telling them that it was useless to oppose
the Moslems. Hind jumped up beside him and shouted: "Don't take any
notice of this fat old fool. A fine protector of his people he is."

A poetess called Asma who lived in Medina wrote some satirical verses,
making fun of her fellow citizens' adoption of Mohammed as their
religious leader. These were passed from mouth to mouth, holding him
up to ridicule. Moham med arranged for her to be assassinated. She was
stabbed in her tent, surrounded by her five children.

INTOLERANCE TOWARDS OTHER RELIGIONS

Islam is the only religion in the world which teaches that converts
can be won at the point of a sword. The KORAN says that those who
won't accept Islam are to be killed. "When ye encounter the
unbelievers, strike off their heads, until ye have made a great
slaughter among them."

The KORAN says: "Fight those who believe not in Allah" and that
Moslems are to fight against non-believers until "there prevail
justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere." We have already
seen what kind of 'justice' exists when Islam is established as the
religion of a country.

The KORAN says: "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike, but
it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you." "If
anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah),
never will it be accepted of rim." The KORAN continues: "How many
populations have we destroyed."

A great deal is made of the tolerance of Islam towards Christianity
and Judaism. This is exaggerated. Islam was more tolerant towards
these two religions than it was towards paganism, but that is not
saying much.

Mohammed regarded the Christian doctrine of the trinity as being the
worship of three gods. Also that the central teaching of
Christianity--that Jesus is the son of God--is blasphemous. The KORAN
says that those who believe these two things will go to hell. The
KORAN says: "O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians
for your friends and protectors. They are friends and prtectors to
each other."

It should be remembered that the Moslems delivered an entirely
unprovoked attack on many Christian countries. When they took
Christian Constantinople the streets ran with blood. A great part of
the Moslem empire consisted of countries that had formerly been
Christian.

Just before Mohammed died, he expressed the wish that there "not
remain any faith but that of Islam throughout the whole land of
Arabia." In accordance with his wishes the Jews and Christians were
expelled from that country.

PAGANS ATTACKED

The pagans bore the brunt of Islamic fury. Sir William Muir says of
these: ". . .but for the rest the sword is not to be sheathed till
they be exterminated, or submit to the faith which has become superior
to every other religion."

The KORAN says: "...fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them."
Another translation says: "Kill those who ascribe partners to God."
Again, the KORAN says that pagans are unclean. Other translations use
the word 'polytheist' instead of 'pagan' and one translates this verse
as 'polytheists are filth'.

This is sometimes considered to be justified as most people are
ignorant of the nature of the religion of Arabia before Islam. The
image conjured up is of hideous idols, and human sacrifices, and
corrupt priesthood. This is not borne out by the facts.

There was no religious prejudice or persecution before Mohammed and
charities existed to look after orphans; they also collected money to
buy the freedom of slaves.

The Meccans did not turn against him until he attacked their gods, and
announced that their ancestors were in hell.

Glubb says that the attitude of the pagans towards their temples and
images were similar to that of the British to Westheimer Abbey, and
other similar places in England

It is worth noting that there was no priesthood in the paganism of
Arabia of the time. Though Islam is not supposed to have priests, the
equivalent has developed in most Moslem countries, and a religious
establishment has arisen, which in many of them has enormous power. So
in this respect Islam was a retrograde step.

Also the god concept of Islam can hardly be an improvement on
paganism, as even though Allah is called 'the merciful, the
beneficent', this is hardly borne out by his action in torturing all
non-believers in hell forever. A description of the Moslem hell will
give some idea of the nature of the sort of god they believe in.

THE MOSLEM HELL

In the Moslem hell one's skin is constantly being renewed after being
roasted through so the victim can "taste the penalty." They will be
wearing a garment of fire. They will eat foul fruits and be made to
drink boiling water. Over their heads will be poured boiling water.
The water is not just boiling but foetid and "in gulps will he sip it,
but never will he be near swallowing down his throat. Death will come
to him from every quarter, yet will he not die; and in front of him
will be a chastisement unrelenting." It will last forever, and it will
not be lightened and he will be in despair. They will beg for death
but it will be denied. As if that were not enough--"there will be
maces of iron to punish them,"

INDIA

The intolerance of Islam towards polytheism (the worship of more than
one god) has drowned the world in blood. This was particularly the
case in India. In most parts of the world the pagans found it easier
to give in and become Moslems. But the Hindus were prepared to fight.

When the Moslems got to India they attacked the Hindus, killed them,
and destroyed their temples and images. In Kanauj alone 10,000 temples
were destroyed, and 50,000 Hindus were killed.

The Hindus Bet on with each other quite well. There has been very
little conflict between the various sects of that religion. As far as
they are concerned a man can worship anything he wants or nothing at
all. Hinduism is very tolerant in the matter of religion.

The religious strife between Moslems and Hindus is still continuing.
An eyewitness to the religious fighting during the British Raj states:

"The moment the crowd decided that one of the opposite religion had
been killed, then everyone in one form of dress would turn on the
others... Thousands upon thousands an hour being killed, and of course
it was a most terrifying sight. They'd pick up any weapon they could,
they shouted, they smashed, they always tried to whittle out the
opposition so that they were heavily outnumbered... Or you could go
across Harrar Bridge, and you could see them being laid on their
faces, with their heads poking out over the bridge, and being beheaded
into the river, and their bodies being thrown in afterwards. Of
course, at ter the riot the river was practically choked with dead
bodies ..."

In the years since Islam was first established vast numbers of people
must have died as a result of its teachings. Glubb estimates that
perhaps one or two people might have been killed in a normal Bedoin
raid. In the religious wars that took place when Mohammed proclaimed
Jihad (holy war) many millions have been killed.

When India was granted independence over 1,000,000 were killed in the
strife which broke out between members of the two religions.

Even as I write these words reports are coming in from all over the
world--in India, Indonesia, Iran, the Philippines, North Africa--of
Moslems fighting each other, and the members of other religions. One
does not read of Buddhists, Jains, Parsees fighting members of other
religions. It's always the Moslems who are involved--apart from
Protestants and Catholics fighting each other in Northern Ireland.

One can only conclude that there is something about this religion that
causes this to happen. This is the 'holy' book of Islam, the KORAN,
that incites its followers to attack and kill those who belong to
other faiths.

THE SUPPRESSION OF KNOWLEDGE

One myth that is widely believed is that Islam promoted knowledge, but
this is not the case. In later centuries a high civilization did
develop in Moslem countries, but this was despite Islam, not because
of it.

Gibb says: "The struggle to subordinate all intellectual life to the
authority of religion went on for many centuries in successive regions
of the Muslim world."

In the first and second centuries of Islam "a Moslem's duty was to
practice Islam and not medicine." The KORAN and the mosque remained
the basis of Arab education until the Abbasids initiated a great age
of learning in the 9th century.

Arab civilization was built on that of Greece, Persia, and Rome. Islam
initially set these back. It is said that the Moslems preserved the
knowledge of the Greeks, but it was already being kept by the
Byzantines, and Moslems merely continued this process. All the
evidence indicates that Islam was a danger to Greek thought, and that
it was just a lucky accident that it survived at all under this
religion.

In 744 the rationalist Caliph Yazid 111 decreed that the doctrine of
predestination should give way to that of free will. Then in 762 the
capital of Islam was moved to Baghdad, in Persia, and civilization
began again to flourish in the middle east. This owed more to the
ancient civilization of Persia, which had already been 1,000 years old
when Mohammad was born, than it did to Islam.

"... Persian songs, as well as Persian ideas and thoughts, won the
day...and paved the way for a new era distinguished by the cultivation
of science and scholarly pursuits."

The Islamic world has sunk back into ignorance again, and even in such
great universities as Al-Azhar at Cairo--the largest Moslem university
in the world--the KORAN is the basis of education. In many schools the
children learn nothing else. The KORAN remains the basis of the law,
and the foundation of the Moslem legal, judicial, and political
system, and the guide to every aspect of life.

ISLAM UNDEMOCRATIC

Another myth about Islam is that it promoted equality. In reality
Islam permitted the ultimate inequality--slavery. As Muir says of
Mohammed: "He rivetted the fetter." "There is no obligation whatever
on a Moslem to release his slaves.' Mohammed himself had slaves--17
men and 11 women.

One of the early Caliphs, Omar "insisted on a medieval Apartheid with
the Arabs as master race."

In subsequent years the Arabs had one of the worst records as slavers,
and this has continued right up till the later years of the 20th
century and may still be going on. Some of the worst feudal regimes in
history were based on Islam as is the present regime in Saudi Arabia.

Mohammed himself set a procedure for this by ruling Arabia as absolute
dictator. Nutting says: "Mohammed concentrated all power, temporal and
spiritual in his own hands, and had combined in himself the offices of
lawgiver, chief judge, and commander, head of state and head of
church."

He never bothered (or Allah never revealed to him) to convey the
method by which he was to be succeeded. After his death this led to
the bloody wars between the Shitite and Sunni Moslems.

DON'T PRAY FOR RELATIVES

On returning from a raid against a tribe called the Banu Lahyan,
Mohammed stopped at the grave of his mother. The following
'revelation' prevented him from praying for her soul: "It is not
fitting for the Prohet and those who believe, that they should pray
for forgiveness for pagans, even though they be next of kin ... "

CRUELTY TO ANIMALS

According to Moslem halal rites, when any animal is slaughtered, the
man who kills it must face towards Mecca, and say a prayer when he
cuts its throat. It is essential for the animal to bleed to death, and
it must be fully conscious, and cannot be tranquilized, or stunned.

ISLAM GROVELLING

The very essence of Islam is a supine acceptance of a grovelling
acceptance of one's lot. The word tIslam' itself means submission.
That is the will of Allah. They believe that nothing happens without
His permission, so there is no point in trying to do anything about
improving this life.

The doctrine of predestination is taught in the KORAN, 9.51 and in
other passages.

ISLAM AND ART

Islam had a bad effect on art, as Mohammed disliked painting, music
and poetry. Luckily, the liking of the Arabs for the last two of these
was too great for his influence to have much effect. It was on
painting and sculpture that Islam had the worst influence, as all
representations of either human or animal forms were forbidden, so
their art was restricted to mindless patterns.

Mohammed said that those who decorate their tombs and churches with
paintings "were the worst part of all creation."

MOHAMMED

The example of the life of Mohammed is taken, with the KORAN, as a
guide to how life should be lived. It is therefore very important to
consider his character, and acts. When I began writing this pamphlet,
I did not think that I would like Mohammed. But the more I read about
him the less attractive did I find him.

He was guilty of the worst crimes any man can commit-murder. On one
occasion he had the entire male population of a Jewish tribe, the Bani
Quraizah, massacred and then had the women and children sold into
slavery. Every book on Mohammed mentions this incident, and the KORAN,
33.26 refers to it.

Mohammed had people killed for the most trivial reasons. A man called
Kinana ibn All al Huquiq, who was the leader of a Jewish tribe whose
fort was captured by the Moslems, tried to conceal the fact that he
had gold. When an informer told Mohammed of this he had Kinana
tortured by having hot coals put on his chest till he was nearly dead,
and then he was killed.

A man called Al Nadhr, who was a teller of tales, used to say of
Mohammed to his audiences: "Are not my stories as good as his?" For
this Mohammed orderd that his head be struck off. After the battle of
Badr a man called Uqba was taken prisoner. When he was being taken
away to be executed he said to Mohammed: "What will become of my
little children." Mohammed replied: Hellfire."

It might be thought that I am quoting from books which are hostile to
Mohammed. This is not so. Only Muir's book is slightly hostile to him.
All the others go out of their way to portray him in a favourable
light. We have enough evidence in the KORAN of Mohammed's cruel
nature, in the punishments he ordered, his descriptions of hell, and
his incitements to his followers to kill people.

Though he ordered the horrible mutilation of the cutting off of hands
for theft, he was himself one of the biggest thieves in history. A
'revelation' from Allah permitted Mohammed to keep one-fifth of the
spoils captured from the towns his followers invaded, and the caravans
they raided.

He was incredibly prudish. At Medina it was the practice to fertilise
the female date palm tree by hand. Mohammed was so disgusted by this
that he forbade his followers to practice it. The result was that
hardly any of the trees bore fruit, so he had to rescind his order.

At the same time he was extremely lecherous, as can be seen by the
large number of wives he had. Karl Brookelmann, in his book, HISTORY
OF THE ISLAMIC PEOPLES, says that Mohammed's death was brought on by
"an excess of pleasuretaking in the harem."

The only thing that can be said in his favour was that he did on
occasion refrain from killing people. I can't myself see that to be a
particularly great virtue.

It might be wondered how a man with this sort of character could
become so admired, and could attain the position he did. What is not
realised is that many people of the time detested him.

After ten years of preaching in Mecca he only had acquired 70
followers. When he secured a base at Medina, he used the same methods
as Hitler or the American gangster Al Capone to establish his
religion. All the accounts that tell us of him are biased in his
favour, as death or exile awaited anyone who criticised Mohammed or
the KORAN when Islam became the state religion of Arabia.

It might be said that Mohammed was a man of his time. but we must
judge him according to the standards of today, not those of 1200 years
ago. We should try to improve on the

ethics of the past. Moslems claim that Islam is a religion for our
time, and it is by the ideals of this century that we should measure
it, not by those of the 7th century.

According to these standards Mohammed was a cruel barbarian, merciless
and fanatical. He introduced religious hatred into large parts of the
world that before were tolerant on such matters. He curtailed the
freedom of women. He endorsed slavery. He broke up families. He
ordered cruel punishments. The world would have been a better place if
he had never been born.

From publication of the Rationalist Association of N.S.W. 58 Regent
Street, Chippendale, N.S.W. 2008, Australia.

 

Should we at ausmoto really give a ****?
didn't paulh give you lot a lesson a few weeks back?
give it up already.


Ian Tilley wrote:

SNIP irrelevant crossposted drivel

 

you may have noticed your cross posting to a car group . so with all
distaste I say
feck off spamming bitch

 

Cross post it to WHO GIVES A ****.

 

Look up which religion was responsible for

* witch hunts - Europe
* salem witch hunts - USA
* The Crusades - one Jewish town was wiped out because the crusaders
couldnt decide
if they might be enemies or not
* The Conquests - governments, privateers and missionaries on "conquest".

When I go into a court of law or parliament, which religion is shoved in
front of my face, and which religion is served up in prayer and speechs with
no respect for any other ?

 

Could you bugger off to wherever you came from and not post this completely
unrelated crap in aus.tv? I imagine the aus.motorcyclers probably feel the
same as me.

 

"conquest".

My great-great grandfather shot quite a few Indians.

What point are you trying to make?

Sala'am & Shalom

Izzy

 

**** off ****

 

Here here. Take it to your local One Nation meeting,
they will be far more interested than us.

 

"In THE SYDNEY MORNING HERALD dated 13.2.79"

Excuse me, are we taking about 13th Feb 1979?

 

Why do you blame religion for the actions of man?

<---- That way to one nation

 

Coz, it is gods fault, he created us in his own image - he must have
been on a right bender that day! - or the HD broke down and Adam had
the ute...

<---- That way to one nation
what religion is that?

Johno

 

So... what punishment would you get for doing a stoppie in traffic, or
perhaps a nac nac past a cop car?

Sprint

 

Ditto, motorcycle, **** off idiot!

 

Why was the original post cancelled?


Nat ;-)

 

Because some of the most hard to understand actions of man(war and
genocide for starters) are in the name of their religion.

 

"Ian Tilley" wrote

13.2.1979??

You need to talk to your paper boy Ian.

Theo

 

All very nice Leon but that was hundreds of years ago. Christianity has
evolved. Islam is doing all this today. The Ayatollah actually condones
pedophilia. What Christian society would do that.

 

Interseting point about the Christians. not sure if you are serious or
tongue-in-cheek

 

I want to find the religion responsible for
* nuking crossposting fuckwits
* keeping OT crap out of NGs
* nailing lame cunts who hide behind fake email addresses.
* killing lamers who perpetuate OT crossposting threads by complaining about
them.

Yes I'm the last one, no need to complain about it and make this fucked up
thread any longer.