Well, I'm shocked.

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Andy Bonwick, Oct 14, 2009.

  1. Andy Bonwick

    Simon Wilson Guest

    I stand correcteded.
     
    Simon Wilson, Oct 15, 2009
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  2. Andy Bonwick

    Champ Guest

    AIUI, carb icing is caused bt the temperature drop from the petrol
    evaporating. It's certainly got nothing to do with windchill, as
    evidenced by the fact that you can get it while the bike is
    stationary.
     
    Champ, Oct 15, 2009
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  3. Andy Bonwick

    Simon Wilson Guest

    I thought it was caused by the pressure drop in the venturi. (There's
    still a 'wind' in the carburetificator)
     
    Simon Wilson, Oct 15, 2009
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  4. Andy Bonwick

    Ace Guest

    There would be _some_ evaporation going on, but yes, the expansion of
    the mixture due to the pressure drop would cause the more significant
    cooling effect.
     
    Ace, Oct 15, 2009
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  5. Andy Bonwick

    Eiron Guest

    I wonder why I've never suffered from carb icing.
    Perhaps some bikes are more prone to it than others.
    Or perhaps it's because my throttles are WFO all the time. ;-)
     
    Eiron, Oct 15, 2009
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  6. Andy Bonwick

    crn Guest

    Erm no.
    Carb icing is caused by the pressure drop as the air passes through
    the venturi of the carb.
     
    crn, Oct 15, 2009
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  7. Andy Bonwick

    Andy Bonwick Guest

    Half the problem (ime) was that the carbs wouldn't ice up at constant
    speeds, it'd happen when you'd been giving it **** across country then
    had to slow down for a village or it'd be fine if you were just
    ambling through town but as soon as you opened it up on a faster road
    the carbs would ice up.

    It did seem to improve when I changed from the normal air filter to a
    K&N one on my 9R but that might have been coincidence or the fact that
    I stopped commuting on it at about the same time.
     
    Andy Bonwick, Oct 15, 2009
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  8. Andy Bonwick

    Ace Guest

    No. AIUI it's more likely to happen in high-flow situatins, no less.
     
    Ace, Oct 15, 2009
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  9. Andy Bonwick

    crn Guest

    There are sevral factors involved.
    1) Fuel injected systems do not have a venturi so dont suffer icing.
    2) Small bore carbs are more prone than larger bore types but give
    better fuel economy.
    3) Intake air temperature is affected by location, often pulling air
    which has been warmed passing the engine.
    4) Carb body temperature is affected by both location and mounting
    method.
     
    crn, Oct 15, 2009
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  10. Andy Bonwick

    Simon Wilson Guest

    Every day's a school day.
     
    Simon Wilson, Oct 15, 2009
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  11. Andy Bonwick

    M J Carley Guest

    Actually, it's caused by the temperature drop as the air expands
    coming out of the venturi.
     
    M J Carley, Oct 15, 2009
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  12. Andy Bonwick

    Eiron Guest

    Good attempt. Must try harder.
    The air will still be cooled as the pressure reduces through the butterfly
    but warm petrol squirted at high pressure from an injector will not be affected.
     
    Eiron, Oct 15, 2009
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  13. Andy Bonwick

    crn Guest

    I tried to keep it simple but .....
    The increase in velocity through the venturi causes a pressure drop.
    Not as simple as it might first seem.
    Plenty of room for pedants in this one <B:)
     
    crn, Oct 15, 2009
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  14. Andy Bonwick

    Simon Wilson Guest

    Well I'm gonna claim at least a partial whoosh.
     
    Simon Wilson, Oct 15, 2009
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  15. Andy Bonwick

    Ace Guest

    Indeed. I wonder if he thinks he's got away with quoting other
    people's ideas as his own?
     
    Ace, Oct 15, 2009
    #55
  16. Takes heat to evaporate [1] fuel - the heat has to come from somewhere,
    the carb body, the air passing through, and the temperature drop causes
    moisture to condense out and freeze.
    Nothing to do with 'windchill' as we know it from riding along, although
    a case could be made that an unclothed human can be regarded as a
    carburettor, but that would be silly.

    [1] The purpose of the carb is to atomise the fuel, but evaporation
    takes place also.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Oct 15, 2009
    #56
  17. Nah. I can buy one for the Scim.
    It's likely the particular method that Ford use that's patented, as
    electrically heated windscreens are older than Moses, and older
    technology might be more expensive and/or less reliable than the Ford
    way.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Oct 15, 2009
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  18. Andy Bonwick

    Champ Guest

    heh
     
    Champ, Oct 15, 2009
    #58
  19. Andy Bonwick

    Switters Guest

    The 9RC2 had a recall due to the carbs icing. A man in a garage "did
    something" and I got a certificate and everything.
     
    Switters, Oct 15, 2009
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  20. Andy Bonwick

    M J Carley Guest

    Actually, it's not that complicated.
    Indeed: what do you mean by pressure?
     
    M J Carley, Oct 15, 2009
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