Well done Nicky H

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Racing' started by PaulpULVITZKA, Apr 11, 2010.

  1. Should have got 3rd., and for ONCE impressed me, seems he finally woke
    up!!

    Ducati is missing some BHP it seems, he should have nailed 3rd.

    Stoner threw away a easy win, and Rossi normal transmission is
    resumed!!
     
    PaulpULVITZKA, Apr 11, 2010
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    pablo Guest

    Rossi showing why he rules these guys - it's not that he can always be
    faster, but he is always consistently fast enough to mess with their
    heads.

    Stoner to me shows that he is possessed by an intensity that drives
    him to excel, and then will predictably consume him. Now he is behind
    and will respond the only way he knows - by risking even more. Reminds
    me of how Rossi broke previous challengers - first Biaggi and then
    Gibernau, who in the end complied with being followers (I am aware
    neither of them won a title..).

    Fantastic race by Hayden, *and* what amounts to a big warning shot by
    Spies. When a newbie on a second team can still be as safely predicted
    to land amonf the top 5, wow, wait until they give him the bike and
    support he deserves. Future world champion.

    Lorenzo a predictable follower. Dovizioso starts the rearrangement of
    the Honda garage as Pedrosa continues to look for excuses... I simply
    don't think he still wants to be there anymore. He is Criville, but
    without a title.

    Edwards 16s behind the newcomer... that's another garage that is being
    rearranged.

    Melandri.. yikes. Does the Gresini Honda really suck so much, or is
    it just that Melandri and Simoncelli are now doubting themselves...


    A matter worth discussing on the Moto2 front... who the heck is
    Tomizawa? Didn't he hear the Euromeds were supposed to rule this class
    with an iron hand...? How dare he... :-D
     
    pablo, Apr 12, 2010
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    Andrew Guest

    I think that was the closest race since Elias beat Rossi in 2007, or since
    Rossi beat Lorenzo at Catalunya.
    Great race. I feel bad for Nicky, but he showed he can ride that Duc.
    Gotta love Spies performance too.
     
    Andrew, Apr 12, 2010
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  4. PaulpULVITZKA

    pablo Guest

    Guess there is an old time racing lesson in there. :-D

    ....pablo (Ph.D. A.R.S.P.) (armchair racing strategy and psychology)
     
    pablo, Apr 12, 2010
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  5. PaulpULVITZKA

    pablo Guest

    Funny that this exact thought popped to my mind today watching this...
    way too aggressive, trying to break from such a fast pack too
    quickly...
    Note to Mark: both Hayden and Spies are, but Rossi is the reigning
    world champion in the MotoGP grid for now. Let's have that be our
    taxonomy, my comment was clearly complimentary when you try to make it
    look like a put-down. Given the fact that I think your message is spot
    on, let us not start these games. I clearly have no agenda against
    Spies or Hayden, who are about the guys I root the most for in the
    current line up.
    Honestly, I think Spies is such an intense guy that does his homework
    so thoroughly from a distance that I am not sure he'll be that
    disadvantaged, even though by all means he *should* be. I think Spies
    is brilliant. I think he is one of those once in a decade talents. I
    think he also works *hard*, learning tracks from a distance as he did
    in WSB as much as he can, and approaches things with a combination of
    gift and methodology that will very soon be very hard to beat. I am
    excited about watching him. I also expect him to do well on circuits
    he has never been on, simply because he is *that* good. When something
    special comes along, conventional wisdom sometimes has to step aside,
    as WSB learned last year. This will be a learning year for Spies in
    MotoGP, and a learning year for MotoGP that Spies is about to make his
    mark. I have no doubt about the latter. I will watch him for a few
    more races, and then will try to start a message about his riding
    style. It's too early yet, even though some differences are obvious -
    he seems to set things up differently from the other riders. I seem to
    observe Spies and Rossi set things up for a very edgy bike, whereas
    the rest of the paddock seems to favor more stability. Too much on
    this for now. It's just a hunch obersering their bikes fall into
    turns, but it may be a function of the fact they are among the bigger
    riders riding up front and thus the bikes just react stronger to their
    countersteering input.
    Well, sure, but the counter-argument is that it sure took him long
    enough. But it doesn't matter. It's good to see him back. As always, I
    think previous situations affected his confidence, and it is great to
    see his work ethic and methodology pay off, this is the Hayden again
    that won a well deserved title through discipline and consistent
    speed.
    I don't think we can truly tell how great the Tech Yam is. I for one
    would not be that surprised if, given enough time, Spies and Edwards
    could make the Gresini Honda achieve similar results. I think they are
    a very good team, able to give their guys the rigbht feedback to
    achieve progress... and a little progress goes a long way these days,
    like you said setup is a big percentage of the game. I would not be
    surprised if between Spies and Edwards the Tech team has about the
    best rider input in the paddock, allowing them to achieve optimal
    results with whatever means they have. Which I boldly claim are
    clearly only fourth or maybe fifth best in the paddock.
    Who exactly has ever claimed they did? Wow, 2 Americans in a Euro
    team... it's got to be an American anti-US rider conspiracy somehow :-
    D
    He is (a) the most experience (b) the most highly paid (c) the most
    experienced Honda rider. There is no excuse for him to be so
    consistently behind the other riders. New suspension can not be *that*
    impossible to master... unless you are as clueless in directing your
    garage as I suspect Pedrosa has become. He probably has better
    suspension engineers from Ohlins assinged to him than anyone else
    riding a Honda. He just can't tell them what he needs changed. That's
    been a criticism of Pedrosa since 250 days, that he just rides what is
    given to him and can't develop a bike worth crap.
    I think there is a reasonable chance for every garage to be quite
    different next year, as the rearrangement this season attest to. :)
    Some will be driven by the urge to achieve even better results, some
    by the lack of results... as always....
    Indeed. No one doubts his talent, but his mindset seems to fragile for
    MotoGP, and I think he needs a fresh start elsewhere for it his talent
    to shine again. It is because I used to think he was one of the most
    talented riders in the top class that it hurts me to see him
    consistently race so far behind these days. It would not be as painful
    to watch if it wasn't Melandri. He is so much better than this. In 250
    he used to have a magical feeling for the bike. He now seems detached
    from it.

    Hey may this be the year where there are no flames in MotoGP? Here's
    hoping. :)
     
    pablo, Apr 12, 2010
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    Julian Bond Guest

    It doesn't really matter if it's Rossi's psych out or Stoner's flaw.
    Rossi will tell anyone who listens that he has to stay close to Stoner.
    The implication being that if he can stay close, then there's always a
    last lap, Hail Mary pass available. Stoner apparently thinks that the
    only way to deal with that is to disappear into the distance. But that
    means he's not managing the race, he's trying to ride lap record pace
    for 20 laps. And apparently he can't do that without the occasional
    disastrous mistake that means a DNF. Maybe the problem here is not Rossi
    getting inside his head but Doohan.

    Astonishing to see that Rossi had the slowest top speed of the entire
    field.
     
    Julian Bond, Apr 12, 2010
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  7. Either Hayden has had the largest form reversal in history,
    or...........

    Ducati have built a bike that even a spastic can win on?

    Bit like Damon Hill with the best F1 car in history, and he *just*
    managed to win the Championship in it.

    Hayden needs to prove his talent otherwise i can see Simoncelli, Spies
    or Rossi taking his spot, wow i am already at 2011!!

    A fair race that Stoner threw away and to early to comment on just yet
    all the same
     
    PaulpULVITZKA, Apr 12, 2010
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    Dirt Guest

    There was a single on-board shot of Hayden coming onto the front
    straight early on in the race and it was obvious to me at the time
    that something was odd with the TC setup. I read this on Soup a
    little bit ago which pretty much confirms it.

    'I'd struggled all weekend. I could not get off the last corner. Just
    something we - that was my worst place, even, like I said, in practice
    and qualifying. Something didn't feel right with the electronic
    traction control. The balance would be spinning on the edge, and when
    I would pick it up on the big part of the tire and it would hook up,
    the engine would go flat right as I was going uphill, and would just
    kill my drive."

    If they'd been able to get the TC sorted for the last corner as well
    as the rest of the circuit it may well have been Hayden on the
    podium. Odd that it sounded as if it was only that corner that he had
    troubles with.

    -Dirt-
     
    Dirt, Apr 12, 2010
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    Switters Guest

    And Barbera had the fastest!
     
    Switters, Apr 14, 2010
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