In uk.rec.motorcycles, BGN belched forth and ejected the following: [QUOTE] [QUOTE][QUOTE] Mark: It's only a bike, it's going to all go crap sooner or later and there is no real benefit in you getting stressed over it until it's happened. Buy a new bike[1] and see how it feels. I find that I treat brand spanking new cars in the same way as I treated my shit 15 year old Proton. I treat them both with respect, but in the end they're just cars.[/QUOTE] WTF has a car got to do with this? I don't give a shit about cars.[/QUOTE] Comparison, Mark. I've never had a new bike, but I have had new cars.[/QUOTE] Nick, I do apologise, dear. I badly needed a shit and now I've had one I feel much better. [QUOTE] I shall explain: If I had new bikes and old bikes then I would have said something like "I agree." As I've had old and new cars I am using that as a frame of reference - I treat old and ner vehicles the same way.[/QUOTE] My vehicles tend to be the same. I just never spent this much one one in my life and while history and past performance suggests it'll end up abit er.. used, I was kind of hoping it'd look nice for as long as poss. [QUOTE] Do you find that your wrists or hands hurt after a while?[/QUOTE] Yes but I've got used to that. Any bike I've ever ridden that has clip- ons is like that. [QUOTE] I'm not sure what I think about forced riding positions, but I suppose they're quite good for that style of bike.[/QUOTE] This is related my my point down there..