Weekend fatality

Discussion in 'Bay Area Bikers' started by John Beck, Apr 6, 2004.

  1. John Beck

    barbz Guest

    A couple of years ago, a BMW rider was killed by a stray dog plummeting
    off a train trestle over a freeway.

    Like I said, shit happens.

    barbz
     
    barbz, Apr 9, 2004
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  2. indeed.

    however, its a real bitch. you now have to leap through some real hoops
    to do that on a student visa, and your legal status of your international
    license expires long before you can get through those hoops. The law
    DOES allow foreign licenses from approved countries (pretty much anywhere
    civilized) for visitors, but if you become a resident (student, employed,
    etc) you need to get a CA license within the same 30 days as a out of
    state driver... But, to get a CA license, you have to get a SS #. To
    get a SS # as a foreigner on a student Visa, you have to get some papers
    from State or INS or something (I forget the details), and this can take
    3-6 months. We went through this with an au pair.

    anyways, an "international license" is merely a piece of paper that
    translates whatever foreign license the holder has... of and by itself it
    has no significance whatsoever, its the foreign license that counts.
     
    John R Pierce, Apr 13, 2004
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  3. John Beck

    Phil Scott Guest

    That would be more or less harmless as long as you stayed under 7
    lbs of Pu in any one pocket. The alpha radiation from Pu is stopped by any
    of the following... a sheet of paper, 1/2" of air. .. the dead skin on your
    hand.

    Uranium and many other radio actives emit more penetrating radiation.
    Pu is the hot number because of the way it can be set up to go into a
    critical reaction with the relatively controllable alpha particle decay
    reaction ( alpha can be slowed and reflected inside the reaction chamber
    creating the potentials for an exponentially accelerating reaction... gamma
    is too fast, and penetrates the containment and not reflective so it is much
    more difficult to get it to go critical especially in the smaller amounts.

    Phil Scott
     
    Phil Scott, Apr 19, 2004
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  4. John Beck

    Phil Scott Guest

    great advice Larry... if you dont drill it so that its an
    instinct...when the time comes to swerve the skills will not be there
    sufficiently.

    Your advice to not brake and swerve at the same time of course would
    have some exceptions. There is a time and a place to brake while turning
    hard..but of course not while *transitioning in the swerve,.... but going
    into the swerve I have braked hard to the point of liftng the rear wheel
    ....that was back in the good old days... (those skills currently coming
    slowly back up to speed).

    I recommend braking hard as you approach the object, initating the swerve
    while still braking, staying braked to the the transition point, then
    getting off the brake to correct back onto the original line.

    I never practiced that, but I will in the future.

    Phil Scott
     
    Phil Scott, Apr 19, 2004
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  5. John Beck

    Phil Scott Guest

    You disagree because you are looking at life from that virtually 100%
    accepted, drilled in, and common viewpoint... a single viewpoint, emanting
    from the area behind your eyes.

    There is a realm vastly beyond what some call ordinary reality. And
    there have been demonstrations of that numerous times...for instance when an
    old woman lifts a 2,000 lb car off of her grandchild pinned beneath it when
    it falls off the jack.... or when Gene Romero crashed with a few laps to go
    at the sacramento mile while leading,,, at 120 mph into the hay bails and
    got up to win from 7 th place.... unheard of lap times before or since,
    impossible lap times...but he did it before 10,000 stunned spectators.
    There is that realm of existence.

    You see mention of these potentials ridiculed by those vastly below that
    level...stuck in the mundane issues of life...but not all ridiculed by
    anyone anywhere in the world, in any sport or combat at the highest
    levels...it is *their common reality and they understand and live these
    potentials.



    Thats an issue one must experience. You can do it if you get good at
    almost anything to world class levels.

    So then the complaint is.... "these guys die all the time".... "bruce lee
    died"... they all die... shit happens...etc.... and you see that is both
    correct and a pedantically erronious argument. they died while living and
    performing even beyond the limits of extra ordinary reality... doing things
    and living life that puts the ordinary persons existence almost to shame.

    So that is not the point. Those who make it the point as they are free to
    do, lock themselve entirely out of these transcendent ranges of life by such
    behavior....by thier own choice. LX is trying to indicate that there is
    potential vastly beyond that level and he is correct.



    Now just to clarify here, I realize fully that I have simply invited
    ridicule and abuse from those without the eyes to see these issues. And
    thats fine.


    I enjoyed Kill Bill 2 from that perspective.


    Phil Scott
     
    Phil Scott, Apr 19, 2004
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  6. John Beck

    Phil Scott Guest

    Bogus arguments Dem....and they do not speak well for you... each of
    those is statistically rare to the one in a million or better levels.
    the more rational comprehension is that one can become unbelievably
    competent and aware and capable and avoid the vast majority of which kills
    most riders.


    Phil Scott
     
    Phil Scott, Apr 19, 2004
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  7. John Beck

    Phil Scott Guest

    I think LX got it from the USAF fighter pilot training. If he had
    gotten if from scientology he would not have the remaiing competence to
    machine such fine billet parts, nor would he have such a free and open mind
    when it comes to the young ladies in his life.... LX,s view is prevelant
    at high levels in the motor racing sports as well... one learns about the
    'zone'... etc. first hand.

    Phil Scott
     
    Phil Scott, Apr 19, 2004
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  8. John Beck

    Phil Scott Guest

    Its a warriors choice.
     
    Phil Scott, Apr 19, 2004
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  9. Yes, my favorite saying is: "In a crisis, you won't rise to the
    occasion, you'll default to your level of training."
     
    Michael Sierchio, Apr 19, 2004
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  10. John Beck

    Phil Scott Guest

    My plan when riding that freeway lower level was always to dive to the
    ouside to the nearest support column if the ground started shaking... many
    of those in that position did survive. Some would be sharp enough to have
    jumped off the bike in that location to the edge and as a collapse began, in
    the second to two it took, jumped clear. People living in ordinary reality
    though, with thier molases slow thinking and reaction times wont do that
    though...and see life that way...and declare that is how it is....and no
    such advance is possible...and then ridicule that.

    Its a marker of ordinary reality.

    Then there are events beyond that range...One time I lived in Santa Cruz
    calif with a consulting job in San Jose, I traveled the fast and smooth,
    banked, race track curvy, and mountainous highway 17 in my ford ranchero at
    70 to 100 mph... playing the spring rebound and shocks against traction and
    horsepoer to drift around the turns.

    One day as I as I was exiting a curve and headed for the next... a very
    clear image of an indian, in a loin cloth and feather in his head band
    appeared in the middle of the lane I was in, walking with his back towards
    me...with redskin....and I slowed dramatically, he dissapeared. a few
    yards later ...around the blind turn...walking on the edge of the lane, no
    shoulder, just 12" of rocky ditch and a high rock cliff... were a man and
    woman with a small child. between them ..about half out into my lane. Id
    of been hugging the inside where they were if I had not slowed.

    We live in a world that straddles the edge of ordinary reality, and thats
    all most experience.


    .....extra ordinary reality... transcending that threshold is not done by
    dogma but by sheer luck it seems and other factors..but once across it, life
    is never the same... It is interesting that you don't see world class
    performers, artists, muscians sportsmen or hard core warriors disputing the
    reality of this apsect of life..... Only those operating below these
    thresholds are blind to the threshold.

    these ridicule what they dont understand.

    That is of course correct in the average human context...but also a very
    limited perspective if you can span the concept. Something will take you
    out eventually so you are correct in that context...its just that in most
    cases that context is created by the person in error... above that level is
    a zone where these things dont happen or they happen while pushing a higher
    limit, or as one ages, gets lax and errs.

    All that is true... missing the point of transcendent operations however
    remains the halmark mistake of most human existence.

    Phil Scott
     
    Phil Scott, Apr 19, 2004
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  11. John Beck

    Phil Scott Guest

    Correct...and that range is a few light years wider than most people
    can imagine accurately...(instead they assume thier bike can stop or turn on
    a bed of wet leaves)...so with that level of error floating in thier headm
    thousands of others spring up.... including a range of fatal predilections,
    and mind sets that preclude survival.

    Thus the plethora of spare parts on Ebay.

    Phil Scott
     
    Phil Scott, Apr 19, 2004
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  12. John Beck

    Phil Scott Guest

    Pablo.... no one will disagree with you. However the 'mindset' is
    fatal if you can span that dichotomy. if you understand that you would
    not have argument with LX's position. or even read his example of the Hino
    truck... perfect example...the bike could have been destroyed and if
    so...well indeed shit happens...but LX was climbed up the side of the Hino
    truck at the time....

    and yes the truck could have rolled or whatever and he still could of
    died...but the mindset you see is the issue... LX is not denying that we
    die. He is challenging the mindset that was so common on the NG and AMS,
    that 'well in that case just grab the brakes and pray'.... a truly fatal
    mindset..... there always countless other options before during and after an
    event.

    Ive seen people riding close to the yellow line in the fog, while tail
    gating the vehicle ahead.... those types will claim bad luck when they get
    hurt. LX and others will not be riding the line in the first place, nor
    tail gating, and we will be alert for problems so we can hit the shoulder
    or whatever....or decide though our unlimited prescience, that if traffic
    too bad that day for the conditions we will get off the road... no accident.

    I went off the Angeles Crest highway one day at about 80 mph in an excrusion
    that would have killed most riders..they would have tried to stay upright
    and brake on the pea gravel and went head first into the nearest of the huge
    pine trees... I had advanced plans... I put the bike on its side...and it
    slid into the berm surrounding the area, with my high side foot still on the
    peg, both hands on the bars (jamming the low side bar into the dirt to keep
    the wheels and motor sliding in the right position... (fortunately a good
    sized pull out),,, the wheels hit the burm the bike stood up, I had the
    clutch in, I jammed it into first and rode the berm back the glorious
    highway (1000 kawaskaki, Freddie Spencers tuner had set up for Ontario).
    The plan was to survive no matter what. Its unfortunate that so many on
    the NG thing putting a bike down is a plan not to survive.

    Planning.

    See Kill Bill 2 on that range of issues. Good luck happens after
    dilligent planning and advancing ones skills...but yes, fatality still
    happens...and no one is saying it doesnt...its just that it is avoidable in
    the vast majority of cases.... as soon as you take a fatalistic outlook
    though, the game is truly over...and that I believe is what LX is
    discussing.


    Phil Scott
     
    Phil Scott, Apr 19, 2004
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  13. John Beck

    Phil Scott Guest

    You look for a gap...the odds are the SUV is not taking 100% of all
    available space... there is 6" somewhere, and you shoot for that.. and yes
    you could get hurt as you jam the bike into that space knowing the bars are
    about to ripped off from both sides and your leg broken... but thats not a
    very likely scenario for someone like LX or myself in the good old
    days.....additionally in such circumstances the SUV is not moving that fast
    either, (with NO clearance..it would be crawling) so you may stop and jump
    for the hood of the vehicle... but you dont panic not even in the
    slightest... or a combination there of... My expereince on mountain roads is
    extensive... i dont think Id even get my blood pressure up in that case, Ive
    had maybe 50 similar ones, rounding a high speed turn on a fire road at 80
    mph or more to find a tallen tree entirely across the road etc.

    ....first off Id of been listening for the sound of other motors, looking for
    signs of dust, bird activity in the area...indirect signs of other traffic.
    there are many such signs... I wouldnt have been in the situation in most
    cases if it were were the SUV could have been at high speed.... getting hit
    at 5 mph is not an issue of course.

    The more you ride with the survival mind set the more options you will see
    and have when the time comes. and before such an event also, in your gear,
    and line though blind turns...and various crash options...such as putting it
    in the ditch if you have to.

    Phil Scott
     
    Phil Scott, Apr 19, 2004
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  14. John Beck

    Phil Scott Guest

    all very unlikely...the SUV will 99% of the time not be hauling ass with so
    little clearance... it will be doing way under 10 mph...probably under 5 mph
    if there is NO clearance....with 3" of clearance it might be doing 20 mph...
    then you have of course that 3' escape route.. you can also sustain that
    sort of impact in most cases.

    But yes, regardless you surely could define an impossible to escape
    example.... and even there... I might say, you or I or anyone else would be
    at alices drinking coffee and delibetately not in that position.... the
    point is that if you are, prepared .. you can do better by planning and
    practicing avoidance than by freezing up and gritting yer teeth.
    Its all relative.... some people would panic at an 'unsafe' condition, when
    a skilled and practiced person wouldnt even consider it a hazard in the
    slightest. Ive notice in my long life that those who are afraid generate
    thier own tragic accidents, and those who are not have very few
    accidents...but yes, Ive seen both killed.

    We all get to die some time.... I personally hope its when Im hung out on
    the edge at age 90 in a two wheel drift, not sucking on some ventilator in
    the hosptital. Live that way, with respect for your skill level, and you
    will have very few accidents...but yes, a deer could jump from the brush in
    the middle of the night as you were on a drunken run over the sierra
    nevada's at 1 am on the way to the whore houses along Highway 80.... that
    could be a problem.

    We loved John...but he was never the same after that. He could ride a
    wheelie all the way down Harding in Stockton, across rail road tracks and
    all...but that deer antler got him. LX though wouldnt have been on that
    road that late at such high speed in the first place.

    Planning.

    See Kill Bill 2............ its all about planning.


    Phil Scott
     
    Phil Scott, Apr 19, 2004
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  15. John Beck

    Phil Scott Guest

    Mr Honda had planned ahead for just that case, thats why he made his bikes
    so narrow.

    Phil Scott
     
    Phil Scott, Apr 19, 2004
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