Walmart reports

Per ounce of effort your economy was most likely better under Bush than
Hillary.

You mention Bush and his oil business. Does he have a drilling rig like I
see around here? I've been meaning to stop by one of the rigs and ask if it
is Cheney's or Bush's.

Another thing I heard the other day is that anybody can get into that oil
business and enjoying the high life. I checked and came up with a list of
ticker symbols. Did you know that? Would you like to know the ticker
symbols?

...louie

 

Another rebuttal full of facts!

Gentlemen, hide your heads in the sand if you choose, but that will
not allow you to hide from a new global economy.

Suck it up Princess and get used to it.


--
See Ya On The Road


2000 Yamaha Venture Millennium
2004 HD Road King

 

I would point out I never said that, but it would fall on deaf ears.

So you just keep on burning as much fossil fuel as you can. Up here in
Alberta we are having a good time spending your money. ;-)


--
See Ya On The Road


2000 Yamaha Venture Millennium
2004 HD Road King

 

Actually it was your opinion and you are entitled to your democratic
right to be wrong.


--
See Ya On The Road


2000 Yamaha Venture Millennium
2004 HD Road King

 

How does that work? How does it cost you more for gas because people
disagree with you about why the price of gas is what it is?

 

Again, health insurance and houses aren't even the same. I don't
recall "haggling" with a Pak-n-Sak over the price of their gas. I *do*
haggle over the price of a house. Some areas are higher costs than
others. How are you able to compare the two? Even with health
insurance you have a choice. You can even add up your chances and go
without. Then even if you have something happen where you are facing
staggering costs, you have the chance to use government assistance to
help out. It seems Republicans like doing this....

Bottom line still remains that there are few options when it comes to
fueling your car/boat/motorcycle/truck/lawnmower. I'm still waiting on
an explaination of how drilling in Alaska will lower our fuel costs.
That was thrown out and I guess no one expected someone to pitch it
back. I'm all for killing a few polar bears too, if it'll lower the
price of the gas we pay at the pumps (legitimately). But to date no
one has explained this one to me.

 

It seems to me that you and others have decided that gas prices are
too high, and the oil companies are making too much money. When
asked why they shouldn't make as much money as they please on gas, you
(and others) reply that it is because people have no choice, no other
options, gas is a necessity.

But then you dismiss the argument that other forms of energy, medical
care, shelter, and clothing, and food are *all* necessities, and that
to be logically consistent, the price and the profits to be made on
them should *all* be limited or controlled just as should gasoline.

How do you dismiss this argument? By saying that there are choices
for consumers in those other areas of necessities, and that people can
make choices to save money and reduce their costs in those other areas
of need.

But when Calgary and I point out that people can make choices in their
consumption of gas (and oil and electricity) as well, those arguments
are dismissed as impractical, unAmerican, or non-applicable.

Well heck, this is a motorcycle group. Every time I ride my bike
instead of driving my truck, that is a choice. I save over 50% of my
truck's fuel cost and fuel usage by riding my bike. So people have
the choce of choosing a bike. Can everyone? Nope. But not everyone
can choose another health insurance provider, or choose to go without
one, either.

I choose to live 4.9 miles from where I work. This choice saves me
many gallons of fuel (and many hours on the road) every year. Can
everyone make this choice? No. But some can, and do. Just as not
everyone can choose to move into a lower priced home to save housing
costs, but some can.

Sure, everyone is talking about the price of oil. They're not used to
it being this high. But the general consensus seems to be that the
oil companys should lower the price of gas to consumers so that they
will make less money and the consumers can continue to use gas at the
same rate of consumption without being inconvenienced or economically
affected. That's not generally how things work in the U.S. economy,
regardless of what the commodity is.

The same reports containing the numbers that everyone is howling about
(how much the oil companies are making) also show that the oil
companies in general make about 8% return on investment. So, if they
reduce their return on investment (or the government does it for them)
to 1%, gas prices might go down about 25 cents a gallon. Instead of
paying $3.75 a gallon, we would pay $3.50. And would our 401(k)
managers and corporate pension plan investers want to hold huge
companies with hundreds of billions of dollars in annual outlays in
their portfolios if they are only showing a 1% roi? I don't think
so.

I think people in the U.S. are going to have to get used to higher
energy prices being here for the long term, just as people in Europe
and other industrialized nations got used to it when their governments
artificially raised the prices of gas by taxing it heavily.

The difference is that our government didn't shear us of $5-6 per
gallon in taxes for the last 30 years in the name of social
engineering, so we're not all driving around in Smart cars and riding
around on 49cc scooters already.

But it sure looks like we're headed inexorably in that direction!

 

Whoop! I'm not complaining that they're making too much money. I'm
simply saying that they're receiving many incentives from our
government where they don't have to invest their own money and they
are allowed to set the prices in the market where they want. Do you
know of any other company that controls it's own market pricing? If
Microsoft stepped up and inflated their prices in their market, they'd
be Bill Gates would be sent off to Gitmo or worse by the SEC. Enron
was allowed to do it, and as are the oil companies. IT stocks soared
up and the Fed stepped in and made a market correction causing them to
plummet....sending many companies out of business for good.

You don't get this, do you? I don't mind a company making money. Don't
get me confused with someone else just because that idiot welfare
bastard in Canada and you have some sort of "LDS" thing going. I
didn't want to get into this discussion. I think it's stupid and non-
serving to find solutions. I'm happy that everyone is finally getting
a good dose of the silly piece of shit they voted for.

Once again, it's not the same. Housing, food, clothing isn't the same.
You can go naked, move in with your neighbor, and eat for free.
Medical care has never been unavailable...even though Obama will want
you to believe it. Energy, like electricity *is* the same and is
regulated. This is the reason WHY it's regulated....to keep what
happened with Enron from happening again. When corporations are
allowed to exist in a monopoly, there are "checks and balances" to
ensure consumers are protected. Over the past 10 years or so, we've
gradually allowed the oil companies to retain more and more control on
their markets, resulting on what we have now. We've been conditioned
to accept this and find it as the "norm". How many times have we heard
"it's better than what Europe pays"? Well, not really. That's never
been true. Europe is taxed to death on their gas prices causing the
amounts to seem higher, but in reality they're lower.

If you're happy with the gas prices, good for you. I'm content with
the prices in that people finally see how silly their "issues" really
are when they worry about someone's sex life or what a Sunday school
teacher said instead of where the candidate actually stands.

Explain this one to me, how is diesel way more expensive than regular
unleaded when it takes way less refining and quantity to make? Could
it be because the truck drivers using the fuel will still have to pay
it whether they can afford it or not? You are near Washington, didn't
you see all those semis parked out there with banners saying how
they're hurting financially because of this? I was glad to see it!
Those were the same shithead jackasses who pissed and moaned about
Bill Clinton getting his dick sucked by a woman who wasn't his wife.
When the gas prices were going up in 2000 and Clinton was in the White
House getting his dick sucked, he did something about the prices.
Maybe those truck drivers were in DC trying to suck Bush's dick so he
might do something to lower those prices? I keep hearing about all
these redneck republicans (Craig) who are into that sort of thing....

There's nothing "American" about that piece of shit coward bastard. He
has choices because he's on welfare. He's a socialistic welfare prick
bastard.

Name one, just one....only one and I'll give you this.

Name a single government program which helps to pay for gas from
Exxon.

I can name three medical programs which pay for medical care in this
country for those who need medical care but can't afford it. I know
there's plenty more, but at midnite after a long day and a week of jet-
lag I can only come up with three right off.

That makes no sense. This is like saying Dairy Queen has their ice
cream for $2 and Braums has theirs for $1, so you choose whether it's
more economical to get what you like and pay more or save a dollar
while getting something less and having to invest more in gas to get
there.

And have you seen the price of gas lately? Geez, that savings of $1 on
the ice cream is going to cost you $37 just to get there. Like one of
those old women who go shopping all day spending lots and lots of
money, only to get home and tell their husband how much money they
saved.

You're so bad off wrong here it's not funny. I had to re-read it
several times just to understand what you were trying to say while
being bad off wrong.

While trying to make your argument stick, you just agreed with what
Jerry and I are saying. The prices are being manipulated by the
companies themselves in order to curb consumption. This isn't true,
but at least you're now saying they're being manipulated. The argument
by the gas companies AFTER all their other bullshit fell apart about
polar bears, Chinese population exploding with a bunch of hopped up
hot rods, and the many other lies has been simply to reduce
consumption by inflating the gas prices.

There's nothing like the American people getting fucked up the ass by
the gas companies and convinced it's for their own good!

So far, you're just mimicking the standard bullshit.

I'll ask you again, what factor is setting the prices in the markets
to $120/b? This isn't Europe setting the prices, this is the market in
this country. Europe pays less in fuel costs than we do, but overall
more due to taxing. If you want to "compare", let's get to paying what
Venezula, Iraq, Iran, Kuwait, Saudi....and the many other oil
producing nations pay. Europe isn't an oil producing nation.

Remember when California was more than a dollar more than every other
place in this country? Remember when the prices were gauged by
location? In the past 6 months, I can't seem to find but a few cents
difference anywhere in the country. Look at a map sometime and you'll
see it too.

See above. Answer if you can.

BUT!!!! On this one, was there an increase in taxes on the gas pumps
that we weren't aware of? How is this a comparison?

Again. See above. Answer if you can.

 

Actually Brian I am neither socialist nor am on welfare. Of course
welfare is a topic you are more familiar with than I and your views on
price regulation are far more socialist than mine.

I am quite content to see you whine and cry, asking the government to
come save you from yourself, cuz I see energy as being a world
regulated commodity. Just because you learned how to build a fence in
your back yard, doesn't mean you can build a wall to protect you from
the world price of energy.

There isn't enough oil to go around Brian. Yup the price moves in
cycles and yes it is the market that sets the price, and every time we
see these surges in the retail price of gas, the market is defining
where the tipping point is. That is, how high can the price go before
people stop buying the product. Each price spike is a probe. A probe
intended to identify how much money can be siphoned from your bank
account, as you to continue to waste energy, before you change your
habits.

Now don't be giving me that tired old line, it is an essential
product. If you want that designation, then be prepared for rationing
too. You will be able to buy it cheap, but you will only get what you
absolutely need.

Right now you have choices. You can control your monthly expenditures
for energy. Use less.

But as I said before, Alberta is living the high life selling you our
oil and personally I hope you carry on wasting it.

Albertan's taxes are going down. Our health care premiums are being
eliminated. The price of natural gas used for heating receives a
dividend derived from the royalties collected from our oil. It's
almost like there is a conduit transferring money from your pocket
directly into mine. I will sleep much better tonight knowing Brian
Walker is paying for my heating bill. (evil grin)


--
See Ya On The Road


2000 Yamaha Venture Millennium
2004 HD Road King

 

And who said you're not some socialistic welfare twat?

You sound like that idiot Canadian who I ran across in Florida not
long ago (while she was trying to get back to Canada before her
welfare checks were eliminated). She was down there in Florida
complaining about stupid stuff, and basically acting as if Florida was
the suburb of Canada. When I finally had enough and told her she could
take her illegal alien ass back across the border, she got in a huff
and turned to say "I'm NOT an illegal alien, I'm Canadian!".

That pretty well sums it up for your worthless ass. You're nothing
more than a socialistic welfare illegal alien.

 

And who said you're not some socialistic welfare twat?

You sound like that idiot Canadian who I ran across in Florida not
long ago (while she was trying to get back to Canada before her
welfare checks were eliminated). She was down there in Florida
complaining about stupid stuff, and basically acting as if Florida was
the suburb of Canada. When I finally had enough and told her she could
take her illegal alien ass back across the border, she got in a huff
and turned to say "I'm NOT an illegal alien, I'm Canadian!".

That pretty well sums it up for your worthless ass. You're nothing
more than a socialistic welfare illegal alien.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

So I'm beginning to get the idea you did not invite the Canadians, and
Virginians to your Memorial Day mini-together?

Too bad. I hope you'll at least have BJay.

....louie

 

''MorrowMan'' , says a goodun') Beej----''Aw, that's the sweetest
thing you've ever said about me, Beej, even if it does make me a little
uncomfortable (you talkin' about my assend an' all....)


============on our little group, even your ass'end is missed, as big as
it is, it is missed from time to time,when there's no alternative.
There's always room for some big eastern assend over here, that's okay,
it is better than nothing. Glad you understand. MrJayT-

 

''MorrowMan'' offers this for a laugh)
''Hell, you don't have to go searching for my stuff.   Just visit
http://www.screaminducracing.com and you'll find more disgusting, know-
it-all, holier-than-thou, sanctimonious, arrogant, condescending
bullshit than you can shake a stick at!   (Hail, that's what'cher
lookin' fer, ain't it Beej, when ya'll recomint folk look up mah
interwebby thangy writin stuff, recton shored?) TIMbo----


=========0h no, I wouldnt advise 'Lonestarlyn'' to go there, atall. He
is a fairly new contributor on TxMoto, I wouldnt want him to endure all
that ''egotistical'' bunch of hogwash at this particular time.
Although, when he becomes a seasoned txmoto poster, and indeed reads
some of your ''oddities'' over on rec.moto (aka reekyville), and runs
out of ''big lols'', yes, I would recomend your BS site. Personally, I
have never been to anybodys site, not even my usenetter friends on here.
I could care less about folks and their webpage/sites (whatever), and,
''their hype type tactics''.
I am way tooooooo busy, watching the Fix News
channels................MrjayT-

 

And a damn good thing, too.

 

Now you're just kissing up.

 

Of course Beej will be there. As long as there's nothin' good to
watch on Fix TV that weekend. And he'll be bringing the hot links,
of course!

 

--Louie inform MrJayT: bjayer ounce of effort your economy was most
likely better under Bush than Hillary. louie-


====== ??under Bush than Hlliary??DUH??
Anyway, let me respond to your ''once of effort economy theory
opinion..
I say---Not hardly, my man, atleaast I can speak for my self, and my
area!!

Louie let me tell ya' what it all boils down to is: ''opinions'',
nothing but folks and their opinions of what they hear, read, or see,
actually.

Your googling and someones elses googling, is just
that...Googling......or gandering....not much difference.

Believe what you wanna, and what makes you happy...is what I intend to
do.

You and me, and even ol Tim could read or hear or even see the same
information, what---ever, and likely, we would still not see it the
same, or atleast disagree, with the circumstances, over and
over---that's how it goes--- always has, and always will. your
buddy form bowie county
MrJayTFuss-----------

 

You know not too long ago I was chatting with a lady who was recently
in Florida and she was telling me of a dumb ass Texan who didn't know
there was a world outside of the US borders and seemed obsessed with
his fence building abilities. She went on to say he was running at the
mouth seemingly begging for some kind of a government handout so he
wouldn't have to pay a fair price for gasoline. Seems the dumb ass
Texan was longing for a Democratic government to provide him with the
welfare handout he thought he deserved.

You know I immediately thought of you, but then figured not even Brian
would be that stupid.

Seems I just might have been wrong!

Now Brian you should get used to seeing more Canadians on your side of
the border. With your dollar circling the toilet, the Canadian dollar
getting stronger and Albertans flush with all that oil money shipped
up here from the US, we are buying up property down there at record
levels. Soon we will be exporting Canadian Beer and Tim Hortons coffee
just to make us feel more at home.

By the way I have a little spare cash laying around. Are there any
prime resort properties available in the Mesquite area? I am thinking
of a few acres, maybe lakefront?

And don't despair about the price of Gas Brian. Soon there will be
lots of us Canucks occupying recreational property in your corner of
the world. We'll be needing some basic lawn care and I have heard you
recently bought a new mower. With all the extra cash you make cutting
our lawns, you'll be able to afford all that oil we sell to you. Seems
like a fair deal to me. <g>


--
See Ya On The Road


2000 Yamaha Venture Millennium
2004 HD Road King

 

So you're saying your personal economy is in recession. i c

....louie

 

We'll take the beer, but leave Tim Horton at home please.
This is Starbuck's country.