Vic to NSW buying interstate - registration strategy

Scenario:
Buying VIC-plated bike to bring back to NSW (not nec to ride it back).
Bike has 9 months rego, no roadworthy issues.

OK this has been covered sparsely before in threads but general
consensus of "just ride it around on the original plates for a while
then swap to NSW" is not strictly legal..the garaged address should be
consistent with the State of registration.

Various options
For anyone stumbling on this thread..one important stuff-around point
found in researching... with RTA (NSW) is to GET A SEPARATE SIGNED
bill of sale/receipt from the seller confirming transfer of ownership
plus copy of sellers licence. Rego papers may not be sufficient.

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/getnewrego/interstatevehicles.html

Vicroads and RTA websites provide info re: refund for cancelling rego
(VIc) and stamp duty (4% Vic, 3% NSW) plus general process for
transfer to NSW (blue slip plus possible extra fee for vehicle
identification "yes sir it's a bike..that'll be $$$ "


Options:
1) Cancel Vic rego, get new rego in NSW.
Get pro-rated refund (less 10%) of rego. (refund goes to listed (Vic)
owner, disregard issue of getting refund from listed owner)
new rego in NSW is 3% stamp duty

2)
-a- Transfer rego in Vic to a nominated legit Vic address (but NSW
licensed owner)

issues: (VIC) stamp duty 4% plus some minor transfer fees

-b- at some stage transfer rego to NSW (no stamp duty as a
transfer)..blueslip etc required


3)
-a- Buy bike in Vic, bring to NSW with Vic plates and all approp.
documentation but don't actually complete the transfer with Vicroads.
(within 14 days). Attend RTA. Pay NSW stamp duty as vicroads rego was
not transferred.
-b- get Vicroads refund from seller (again, disregard complications
with this) as seller is still the "listed" owner with Vicroads and
only one entitled to refund.

(3) seems the straightforward/obvious option but interested in others
firsthand experiences with interstate purchases.

 

Refund in Vic is only the pro rata refund on the registration only
$38, less 10%....$35. pro rata 9 months remaining
9 months would equal about $25 or so
not worth the effort, especially when you won't be getting it

If you complete the transfer requirements with Vicroads, then you are the
owner and then you can get the refund

but, hardly worth the trouble,

ride it till the registration expires and get new NSW reg,
If you get pulled over and asked why,
you are in the process of moving house

 

That's what I was thinking. I was on Vic reg for nearly a year when I
moved to Sydney and we kept Kerry's car in Tasmanian reg for 6 years
living on the mainland. I think they'd probably track it a bit easier
these days though.

I recall hammering it out of Nth Sydney onto the F4 freeway north of
the bridge one day. I had the bike tipped over really hard and
couldn't see anything in the mirrors and while I was still in the slip
lane I just accelerated like mad so if there was a car coming
alongside the slip lane, I figured as the bike came upright I'd be
able to see them, but be pulling ahead of them. Of course there was a
bike cop behind me when I did get up into visible mode. (Yes, I'd done
a head turn, but he must have been off to the left of me).

Pulls me over and was interested more in the VF1000R (as they were
still pretty new at the time) and wanted to talk bikes. Fine. Asked me
about the Vic rego and I said I'd just moved to Sydney and would
change it over when I found permanent residence. He didn't check it
well enough to notice that it had expired about two weeks before that.
(I was getting around to it, OK!)

So we chatted about bikes and he was bemoaning the Bimmer that he was
on. I played nice chatty person and got off with a warning. I reckon I
was pulling around 160 kph as I came onto the slip lane, but as he was
on a bike, he didn't have a gun.

So me gets off with warning for speeding on an unregistered bike in
the wrong state. I must be able to bullshit well

But yeah, doubt you'd get away with it these days.

Kev

 

In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:30:36 -0800 (PST)

Make sure it has at least the rego number, and it's a good idea to
copy the VIN too. They like to think this stops rebirthing.

When I've done it I've ended up paying stamp duty and never getting
much refund. Mainly because the biggest cost of rego is 3rd party and
refunds on that are hard to come by.

Zebee

 

Yep, NSW RTA site sets out exactly what info is required.
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/getnewrego/interstatevehicles.html
a bit vague on Proof Of Entitlement to register (eg did you really buy
it)

and down bottom the Registration form (last page of PDF):-
an original receipt for the vehicle, which clearly shows your name,
the seller's name, address and signature, the date you purchased the
vehicle; how much you paid for it; the registration number; the VIN or
chassis number.

You're buggered if you don't see that form beforehand..back to the
seller to get more paperwork...don;t rely on just the RTA website
text.

If already paid stamp duty in Vic (ie completing the transfer of
registration in Vic) then subsequent transfer to NSW then no stamp
duty payable. It's an extra 1% in Vic compared with NSW (ie 33% more
expensive).

re: refund, see separate reply.

 

"Registration" in Vic (unlike NSW) includes TAC insurance premium.

Prorata refund is provided on this premium as well as the
registration, less a 10% admin fee.

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home...ncelRegistration/RegistrationCancellation.htm


"Note: Refunds are calculated on a pro-rata basis. A processing fee is
deducted from the pro-rata registration fee in accordance with the
Road Safety (Vehicles) Regulations 2009. An administration fee of 10%
of the applicable pro-rata refund is deducted from the TAC premium, in
accordance with the Transport Accident Act 1986.
"

Seems straightforward and worth it for 9 months of rego/TAC refund.
Better than the Transfer and Duty payable which present new issues of
garaged address/comprehensive insurance etc.

You and I have diff definitions of trouble, nearly 4 hundred refund
amount is worth my trouble.

Indeed because stamp duty at 4% is the passion killer..all for the
benefit of getting a cheque in your own name. That aspect, of getting
the refund forwarded by the seller, is not an issue.

This has the potential to bugger up insurance policies...something I'm
not a fan of...(it's not "my" bike by the way). But I can understand
someone may want to leave a bike "usually garaged" in Vic instead of
with them in NSW to take advantage of the footpath parking and hidden
revenue cameras everywhere.

Paying the stamp duty/transfer doesn't make this an attractive
option...i dont care how good the cakes are down in Lygon street.

So looks like it boils down to having 14 days to submit Transfer of
Registration to Vicroads..or decide instead to cancel registration and
get a refund (being several hundred dollars).

 

Apologies..in the context of your reply, being Option 2) (transfer and
then cancel) then yes, not worth it due to transfer costs decimating
the refund.

But worth it just cancelling as the refund includes pro rata of the
TAC premium.

 

spot on ..on both counts..GWF and rego amount..my calcs came to around
that for 9 months worth.

Yep, got some ludicrous quotes..up to $750 door to door. You'd think
the WSB's are on soon or something.

In any event, decided to drive down, do some bike time around Melb,
collect some lattes etc (with a registered but not yet "transferred"
bike..14 days to do that), cancel rego and trailer back.

TAC is no-fault.

Vicroads requires a declaration that the garaged address is specified
in Vic.

You may have the postal address interstate though.

 

Apologies..in the context of your reply, being Option 2) (transfer and
then cancel) then yes, not worth it due to transfer costs decimating
the refund.

But worth it just cancelling as the refund includes pro rata of the
TAC premium.

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I will add here, that I have had to cancel registrations of bikes and cars I
have bought and I have only got back the pro-rata for the remaining months
of registration only.
I did NOT get back any refund pro-rata or not, of any TAC insurance payment,
Only the registration costs, which in your case is 3/4 of $38

 

Good on you Nev, lead him down the garden path

I defy you to get a refund on TAC insurance fee when you sell a vehicle in
Victoria

I have done it many times and I have never got a refund yet, even though I
have tried.
He can try and get the price reduced by bullshitting to him that he will get
a huge refund from the TAC and Vicroads
But, I doubt it.

If you read his posts, he said in a previous post, he is taking an empty
trailer to MNelbourne
Presumably to pick the bike up.

 

But when it comes time to claim, they'll likely tell you to bugger
off. Not a good time to be told to bugger off, really.

 

I'm sure George thinks that that is a high probability.

Theo

 

Just rang Vicroads call centre. ("customer solutions" or something) so
now don't need to wait on the seller to forward any refund.

100% wrong. TAC is prorata refundable (as per website, less 10%).

Importantly..it is DIRECTLY refundable to the new purchaser..just pay
a $5.50 transfer fee to partially transfer registration when handing
in plates (ie no duty payable as cancelling the registration at the
same time). Get seller to fill out Transfer of Registration form and
hand in plates/forms within 14 days. Vicroads require adequate proof
of sale (ie Bill of Sale) from seller.

Confirmed with Vicroads call centre, she even calculated the exact
(within a few cents) refund amount based on the date of handing in the
plates and forms at a Vicroads centre. About $345 for a 9 month left
bike rego.

The helpful and knowledgeable Vicroads callcentre lady confirmed the
website is not quite right. It was written from the context of only
being for Victorian clients.

For example does not cover above scenario..transfer of registration/
listed owner (partial registration, no stamp duty payable..only $5.50
fee). The admin fee also for the registration component is $15 (not
10%) as apparently Vicroads was making too much money out of truck
ownership changes (10% too high).

 

Yeah sorry if that's the case..I went back and doublechecked and
thought I'd quoted right.

As for Vicroads..well, there's a few to choose from between Melb and
the border

 

Not infrequent visitor to Melb, convenient excuse to visit and swan
about parking on footpaths for no other reason than we can't do it
legally in Sydney.... got free accom so that's not an expense.

Bike already inspected on my behalf. Also transporters can take more
than a few days (been advised upwards of 7 days with some) to fit in
with their scheduled runs..need the bike back to Syd and sorted sooner
than that. Apart from the joys of Syd-Melb driving, fuel costs are
still a better option than a transport service.