Verbal contract on flat?

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Whinging Courier, Mar 4, 2004.

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    On Tuesady I went to view a property in Ealing, West London.

    It was the property of a housing association and I had a really good
    feeling about the place when I got there and looked round; The property
    was rather compact but the area more than made up for this. I wanted it
    and I wanted to move in as soon as possible.

    Now, when I got a letter from the landlord inviting me to look round, it
    said on the letter that I was second on the list. I understood this as
    being that if the first person didn't want it / didn't turn up to view,
    I'd be offered the place.

    When I got to the location, there was someone there who said they could
    show me round but I had to be aware that someone else was viewing that
    day and I might not get the place if they wanted to accept it first.
    This is how I understood it would work and was happy to go ahead and
    view anyway.

    Later on that day, the person who showed me round phoned up and said the
    other person hadn't shown up and as a result, he could offer there
    property to me. I accepted. He said ok and that he'd forward the papers
    to the relevant departments. I have since then started making plans and
    arrangements to move.

    I have just received a phone call from the Ealing landlord's housing
    officer that I haven't got the property because it has been offered and
    accepted by the first person.

    A short conversation followed about how I'd already accepted and was
    making plans to move there myself. She said I couldn't move there as I
    was second on the list.

    Can she do this? Is my contract not with the person who showed me round
    and then phoned me and accepted my offer? There were a lot of excuses
    about it not being on the system but no explanation as to why I would
    now have to back down out of something that I was obligated to feel was
    mine.

    I want to know my legal situation here. Do I have any redress, any
    comeback? I had my heart set on the place and to receive this phone call
    and then be told it isn't mine has caused me a lot of distress.
     
    Whinging Courier, Mar 4, 2004
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  2. I am not a lawyer, and may well be wrong, but:

    This is social housing, and who gets it is decided on the basis of need,
    (derived from a point scoring system usually).

    It may well be the case that the person first on the list was unavailable
    for a reasonable reason. SO from that point of view, it may well be
    reasonable for the social landlord to handle it's obligations this way.

    On the contract issue, a tenancy does not have to be in writing, once it is
    established. (Old rule of estoppel as it applies to property). However, I
    have seen it argued that an agreement to give a tenancy confers an interest
    in land, and as such has to be in writing signed by both parties to be
    valid. I can see some force in the argument that such an agreement does
    confer an interest in land, but that does not mean it can't be beaten.

    See the Law of Property (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1989 section 2:
    http://www.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts1989/Ukpga_19890034_en_2.htm#mdiv2

    I am not a lawyer.

    I can appreciate your disappointment.

    Kind regards
     
    Benedict White, Mar 4, 2004
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  3. Whinging Courier

    Bystander Guest

    "Whinging Courier" > wrote (snipped)
    The law has nothing to offer you. Disappointment can be hard to take, but
    there it is. Get on with looking for another flat, and look forward to the
    Spring.
     
    Bystander, Mar 4, 2004
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  4. Why?
     
    Paul C. Dickie, Mar 4, 2004
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  5. In uk.rec.motorcycles, Bystander said:
    Cheers. I've calmed down now and realise I haven't signed any thing and
    getting depressed about it won't help anyone. I also realise I'm not the
    first, only or last person this will happen to.

    Thanks.
     
    Whinging Courier, Mar 4, 2004
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  6. Whinging Courier

    Bystander Guest

    "Whinging Courier" wrote (snip)

    Good luck. And mind how you go on that motorbike - I mean that.
     
    Bystander, Mar 4, 2004
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  7. In uk.rec.motorcycles, Paul C. Dickie said:
    Because they're usually the fount of all knowledge.
     
    Whinging Courier, Mar 4, 2004
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  8. Whinging Courier

    Nick G Guest

    It's been a while since I studied law, but my recollection is that property
    is unique in that a contract MUST be in writing. A verbal contract is, quite
    literally, not worth the paper that it's written on. This is why the boards
    put up by lying sponging bastards (or Estate Agents, as some people refer to
    them) always say "Sold, Subject to contract" The bottom line is that there
    is no redress until the contract is written and signed.

    BTW, I commend you on your choice of Ealing.

    HTH
     
    Nick G, Mar 4, 2004
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  9. A crosspost to ukl without Stan showing up.
    Amazing.

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    Dave

    GS 850 x2 / SE 6a
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    Grimly Curmudgeon, Mar 4, 2004
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  10. In uk.rec.motorcycles, Grimly Curmudgeon said:
    I noticed that as well.
     
    Whinging Courier, Mar 4, 2004
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