Valve stem oil seals

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Mups, Apr 16, 2011.

  1. Mups

    Mups Guest

    My YZF750 has always been one for a drop of the old semi-synth but
    recently its oil consumption is getting into the realms of dipsosis[1]

    I'm fairly sure its the valve stem oil seals as they're a weak point on
    this bike and its blowing oil spots out the exhaust rather than burning
    it.

    HBOL gives the job a full 5 spanners and TBH I neither have the spanner
    twirling ability or the tools to do such a job. Does anybody know of a
    decent engine shop in the Staffs/West Midlands area, preferably one
    where I can just drop the bike in and any ideas how much it would cost.


    [1] About a ltr every 500 miles.
     
    Mups, Apr 16, 2011
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    wessie Guest

    Pete Fisher would know a place but he hasn't posted for a week, presumably
    over at his French bolt hole.
     
    wessie, Apr 16, 2011
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    crn Guest

    Stem seals are not really a problem, they just waste oil until it
    gets bad enough to fail the MOT for smoke and emissions.
    Harmless so long as you keep the oil topped up.
    OTOH there might just be other problems, check the compression
    pressure on each cylinder and keep a wary ear open for noises.
    Check that the crankcase breather is not blocked, this can cause
    similar symptoms.
     
    crn, Apr 16, 2011
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    ogden Guest

    dipsosis[1]

    I rode behind you for about 30 seconds and I understood how Kiran
    felt sitting behind my RGV.
     
    ogden, Apr 16, 2011
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    sweller Guest

    My pet theory on this is: if it smokes (mostly) under power it's rings,
    if it smokes after the overrun or idling it's top end. It could be worn
    valve guides rather than just defective seals.

    How high is the mileage and how old is the bike?

    As to the job itself the biggest ballbreaking consumer of time for a
    workshop will be the removal and replacement of the engine.

    If you can do that yourself and hand over the engine it will be
    significantly cheaper.

    However, if you're paying someone to do the job we're in the realms of
    the economic reality being to scrap the bike and recover costs by
    breaking it.

    I'm going to have to change the cylinder head and rings on the Armstrong;
    I expect it will still take me the best part of a weekend to do the job
    on a simple single.
     
    sweller, Apr 17, 2011
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  6. Mups

    Mups Guest

    Its not so much smoking as chucking it out the exhaust unburnt.
    16700 Miles and its a 96. Looking back at the past MOT's it looks like
    its been stood for a few years which could have lead to the seals
    hardening I suppose.
    I reckon I could remove the engine. Its the 20 tiny valves , springs and
    god knows how many pingfuckits in the head which worries me.
    Be a shame to break it as apart from the oil the bike is pretty much
    spot on.
    Bring back 2 strokes that's what I say.
     
    Mups, Apr 17, 2011
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    Mups Guest

    No strange noises and the bike doesn't seem down on performance. I'll
    check the crankcase breather thanks. I hadn't thought of that.
     
    Mups, Apr 17, 2011
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    crn Guest

    Why not just keep the oil topped up and ride it until it either breaks
    or fails an MOT. Then break it for spares.
    In the meanwhile start saving for the replacement.
    A classic case of bangernomics.
     
    crn, Apr 17, 2011
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  9. A whole weekend?

    You just cannot put this go slow dinosaur thinking union shit down can
    you?
     
    steve auvache, Apr 17, 2011
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  10. What is the price of oil going to be next week when merkania defaults on
    it's debts?

    A classic case of you failing to understand the consequences of turmoil in
    the global economy upon a gentleman's pleasures.
     
    steve auvache, Apr 17, 2011
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    Andy Bonwick Guest

    I don't think you'd say that if you'd actually seen the bike but given
    that you're something of an idiot I'm probably wrong.
     
    Andy Bonwick, Apr 17, 2011
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    SIRPip Guest

    1. Check I.D of suggester.
    2. Check layout plan of bike/engine.
    3. Assess point diametrically opposite crankcase breather.
    4. Start there.
     
    SIRPip, Apr 17, 2011
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    Ian Field Guest

    Sounds about right, if it runs clean at full power and billows smoke when
    you shut the throttle its inlet stem seals.

    Tends not to happen with exhaust stem seals as there's pressure as opposed
    to inlet manifold vacuum on overrun.
     
    Ian Field, Apr 17, 2011
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