Vacum Gague..

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Ginge, Jul 11, 2004.

  1. Ginge

    sweller Guest

    It doesn't.

    IME.
     
    sweller, Jul 11, 2004
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  2. Ginge

    John Higgins Guest

    You could always make your own for doing pairs.

    http://www.airheads.org/index.php?Technical Tips+$4 Carburetor Synchronizer
     
    John Higgins, Jul 11, 2004
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  3. Ginge

    Mark Olson Guest

    I've made my own example per those plans and it works beautifully on
    a twin- but the endless switching around of vacuum hoses on a four
    would be a major inconvenience, without some sort of quick-switching
    manifold type thingy.
     
    Mark Olson, Jul 11, 2004
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  4. Ginge

    Ginge Guest

    Changing the petrol helped..

    Then balancing it really helped (Ta for the loan of your gauges Loz),
    just one of the carbs was really out, but it was a bit of a bugger to
    get it all sorted.

    Seems to be running lovely now, and would comfortably pull way past 120,
    whereas before it was grumbling at about 105..
     
    Ginge, Jul 11, 2004
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  5. Ginge

    Lozzo Guest

    The Older Gentleman says...
    I have a set of Morgan Carbtune 11 4 rod gauges. They are about as good
    as I'll ever need.
     
    Lozzo, Jul 11, 2004
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  6. Ginge

    Ginge Guest

    It was opening, but that one carb was just quite a bit out of sync
    compared to the others.. All the spark plugs came out the same shade of
    brown-ish, so it doesn't look like a severe fueling problem or anything
    to worry about now.

    I think had I left it ignored it'd have suffered, but it only seems to
    have gone off song recently anyhow.. And now it's fixed..
     
    Ginge, Jul 11, 2004
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  7. Ginge

    sweller Guest

    I've found that unbalanced carbs can effect the engine across the entire
    rev and load range.

    There are two aspects to balancing the carbs one is the tickover balance
    the other is the synchronisation of the slides.

    The Guzzi is, I appreciate, slightly different to most multi carb
    machines as it has two cables. It is possible to have the slides opening
    at different rates and holding different positions which really unsettles
    the engine. I find I balance mine about every 1000 miles.

    This has an impact on the performance; probably not 15mph but enough to
    be noticed (5-7 mph IME) particularly in engine response.

    The idle balance you mentioned is governed by the slides' position at
    rest and the mixture screws. These can be spot on but the slide balance
    shot to bits and vice versa.

    I assume Ginge's bike's carbs are linked by a rod? These are not as
    prone to change as cable operated carbs but change they can. This would
    have a noticeable effect on top end.
     
    sweller, Jul 11, 2004
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  8. Ginge

    Ginge Guest

    Hmm that may have a bearing too, the bike certainly felt better and
    accererated as soon as the throttle was opened afterwards.

    I don't care anyhow, it now feels right, and that's all that matters to
    me really. Bring on the twisty alpine roads.
     
    Ginge, Jul 11, 2004
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  9. Ginge

    Pip Guest

    Ooerr, missus. That sounds like an unfortunate combination of
    circumstances, sweller. I think Simes' point is a good one, as is his
    question.

    Having said that, I left the oil change a bit late on the RF, due to
    the weather being cold/dark/wet - and let the level get a bit low,
    too. After a quick run, when stuck in traffic, a tap tap taptap
    tapping noise came from the top end which increased with revs ...
    An oil and filter change sorted that, thankfully.
     
    Pip, Jul 11, 2004
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  10. Ginge

    sweller Guest

    Ran very low but there was still oil there.

    I've fixed the light; its only taken me 6 years to get round to it.
    Mainly because I have a fairly low opinion of oil lights. Damage is done
    when they come up.

    It goes out straight away and doesn't come on at idle (both hot and
    cold). It also takes 4-5 seconds for it re-light when the engine is shut
    down.

    The sender is some Fiat car one that had the right thread and connector,
    I assumed it would come in at about 8-10psi as most do. I'll find the
    intermotor number and see if it can be cross referenced.

    The oil gauge idea appeals; especially a permanent one. I have an old
    Smiths gauge I can hook up to allow temporary testing and check running
    pressures but I'd have to make some metric-imperial thread converter.

    Anyone got an oil pressure gauge that wouldn't look amiss on the Guzzi,
    60psi (4.2 bar), smallish and with a black bezel that they'd like to
    sell/give to me?
     
    sweller, Jul 11, 2004
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  11. Ginge

    platypus Guest

    <makes note to pack the towing strap next weekend>
     
    platypus, Jul 11, 2004
    #31
  12. Indeed.

    I used to think oil *level* lights were odd because they assumed
    complete faith in the engine and zero faith in the owner.

    But that is exactly why engines self-destruct through lack of oil, these
    days.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Jul 11, 2004
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  13. Ginge

    sweller Guest


    Oddly it doesn't knock; clatter or make any other oil starved damage
    noises; there wasn't any shiny debris in the old oil or in the sump; the
    oil didn't smell 'bad'; neither is there any heat damage around the big
    ends; it just squeaks. Like mice.

    I'm not even sure where its coming from but if I go really fast they get
    frightened and I can't hear their pathetic mousey whimpering.
     
    sweller, Jul 11, 2004
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  14. Ginge

    sweller Guest

    No it had the full change, both oil and filter.

    To change the filter on a round barrel Guzzi it's a sump off job.
    Cleaned the pick up gauze and oil ways as well.

    As I'd had a problem I was very particular about cleaning and checking.
    No shiney debris in either the oil or sump, no obvious heat damage to
    crank; bearings (that I could see without dismantling) or cylinders and
    pistons.

    The drained oil didn't smell 'bad'.

    Still can't fathom the squeaking; its probably something I've disturbed
    cleaning out the breather expansion box and its now rubbing against
    something else.

    I may check that the rockers aren't running dry; I doubt they are but
    I'll check anyway.

    Whatever it is, its pissing me off.
     
    sweller, Jul 11, 2004
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  15. It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
    The vibration on a Guzzi will probably give the oil sender pipe a really
    bad time, but you can get braided ones which might be better, although
    I'd still be leary of breakage at the union end.

    Otoh, you can get an electric sender and gauge, pricier though, and the
    senders are a bit bulky.

    --

    Dave

    GS 850 x2 / SE 6a
    SbS#6 DIAABTCOD#16 APOSTLE#6 FUB#3
    FUB KotL OSOS#12? UKRMMA#19 COSOC#10
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Jul 11, 2004
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  16. Ginge

    Salad Dodger Guest

    That's what I've got. Dead handy on the Blackbird, they are.

    Never tried them on the Wing, yet.

    I presume you can do twins with them?

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    \ |^| / IbW#0 & KotIbW# BotTOS#6 GP#4
    \|^|/ ANORAK#17
    '^' RBR-Visited:35 Pts: 705 Miles:2429
     
    Salad Dodger, Jul 11, 2004
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  17. Ginge

    Lozzo Guest

    Salad Dodger says...
    Yes, just use two gauges/pipes instead of four.
     
    Lozzo, Jul 11, 2004
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  18. Ginge

    Salad Dodger Guest

    Ta.

    <scribbles note in "to do" book>

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    |__|_|__| BOTAFOT #70 BOTAFOF #09 two#11 WG*
    \ |^| / IbW#0 & KotIbW# BotTOS#6 GP#4
    \|^|/ ANORAK#17
    '^' RBR-Visited:35 Pts: 705 Miles:2429
     
    Salad Dodger, Jul 12, 2004
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  19. Ginge

    Lozzo Guest

    Salad Dodger says...
    How thick is this book of yours?
     
    Lozzo, Jul 12, 2004
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  20. Ginge

    Salad Dodger Guest


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    Approximately.

    Or about half the thickness of the Wing's workshop manual.

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    \ |^| / IbW#0 & KotIbW# BotTOS#6 GP#4
    \|^|/ ANORAK#17
    '^' RBR-Visited:35 Pts: 705 Miles:2429
     
    Salad Dodger, Jul 12, 2004
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