[QUOTE] This 'bikers are all mates' canard is utter nonsense and always has been.[/QUOTE] Well, that may be so in your experience and I'm not saying *all* bikers a great people of course but I have been offered (and have offered) more support on the road when on a bike, by bikers than I have even done when in a car.[1] That's not to say car drivers are any different just I have no positive experiences with them to relay here.[QUOTE] I've got some great mates who ride bikes. I've also met some prize cunts who ride bikes too.[/QUOTE] Of course, but that wasn't the spirit of my comment. All the best .. T i m [1] The exception is within the kitcar world.