[QUOTE] Many of us regard bikes as a means of transport rather than boys toys. The enjoyment is a side effect, not the reason for riding.[/QUOTE] Um.... Car: does high 40s mpg, costs £250 a year to insure, tyres last for ever, carries lots of stuff as well as humans, protects me from getting wet or cold, has on-board music etc, goes 500+ miles on a tankful. BMW bike, does similar to the gallon, costs the same to insure, tyres shagged in 6k miles, can't carry as many humans or stuff, lets me get cold and wet, no entertainment, does 200+ miles on a tank.... As a logical means of transport, except in town, the car wins out every time.