Ultraseal availability in the South

My apologies if this is considered off-topic but I know many of you
are fans of Ultraseal tyre sealant.
If you live in the Southampton area and want to know where you can get
it, please check out my website. I can also supply mail-order to any
UK address.
I personally use it in my BMW K100LT, my car and my trailer.
--
Regards

Greg Smith

****************************
Ultraseal Southampton
Tel: 023 8025 1146

www.ultraseal-soton.co.uk
****************************

 

Do you? How do you know that, then? Are you sure?

As to the off-topicness, well it isn't as such - BUT it is off
Charter. You have just posted a blatantly commercial post, which is
strictly and expilictly forbidden in the charter for this and most
other uk* newsgroups.
http://www.usenet.org.uk/uk.rec.motorcycles.html

Your ISP will be notified of this abuse. Ignorance is no defence as
the onus is upon you to check first.

That's nice for you. Read while you can, toast-boy.

 

I just looked at the names in the thread listing: Greg Bear <shudder>

Meanwhile, back to the abuse reports ...

 

Is that right? Mine shows some 15 threads, over the last FOUR years.
This newsgroup outputs about 600 posts a day on a quiet day - that
would be over 800,000 posts in that time. I put it to you that in
that context, 200 ceases to be significant.

I don't give a spammer's sock, sorry. Not a rancid yak's kidney
stone.

Well don't come spamming in here, driving your BMW, car and trailer
through the founding document, the Charter, eh, spammer? Go and push
your freebie bloody adverts where they are more welcome - try
scrawling in chalk in lane 3 of the M25, for instance.

Yes it would. Your post was unsolicited and commercial. You were
publicising your product, were you not. Had anybody asked about it?
Were you replying in a helpful, no axe-to-grind manner, out of the
goodness of your heart? No. So you can crawl back under your rock
and warm your fingers on your toasted account, spammer.

Not on this one you haven't spam-boy.

Because, amoeba-brain, you posted unsolicited commercial advertising
in here. Unasked and expressly forbidden. SPAM. No-one asked, as
you say. You were trying to further your own commercial interests,
not help out with a personal recommendation. Logic - you broke the
rule, you won't admit it nor apologise and you continue to try to
press your case - which is so unfounded as to sink beneath you.

Here, let me save you the bother of cancelling your usenet account.
Abuse report sent - and I would ask anybody else who has read this far
to fire one off too.

 

I searched on google and found over 200 articles mentioning Greg, most
of them said he was a ****.

 

Simple. Straight from his headers:
X-Complaints-To:


Include a copy of the post and full headers.

Spam-boy Greg here has contravened the Terms and Conditions he posts
under, see:

Extract, google's T&Cs:

" Permitted Uses. You agree that you are responsible for your own
communications and for any consequences thereof. You agree to use the
Groups only to send and receive messages and material that are legal,
proper and related to the particular Group. By way of example, and
not as a limitation, you agree that when using a Group, you will not:
<snip>

Advertise or offer to sell any goods or services for any commercial
purpose, other than in Groups intended for such uses. "



No matter how much he wriggles, he cannot justify this nor deny that
he is in direct contravention of the above. I reckon.

 

Give it up Greg, you're fighting a losing battle. It's a shame you
didn't wait a couple of weeks. I've got a new rim to lace up on my
Tiger, & plan on sealing the spoke heads to make it tubeless. I'll be
putting Ultraseal in it to catch any leaks, & may have asked on here
where to get it. So I'd like to thank you for your post, it's saved me a
tiny bit of effort.

As for the replies you've had from others, that's the UKRM way. I too
think it's ridiculous that you can't post a short message to publicise
something that could be genuinely useful, as long as it's completely on
topic for the group. Surely the spirit of the charter was to stop people
mass-mailing numerous groups with totally unrelated commercial posts?
For the cage rattlers to actively try to harm your business by getting
your account pulled is pretty disgusting, and a total over-reaction in
my book. I wonder if they take as much care over not breaking the
traffic laws as they expect others to take over not breaking the 'laws'
of 'their' group? Stupid question, of course they don't.

It's not even universally enforced. If you were one of the regulars,
you'd get away with it. Take a look at Sir. Tony's courier post
yesterday, for example. The person who's most vehemently trying to toast
your account replied to Sir Tony "If you were not a regular poster..."
etc etc. I'm pretty certain one of the first respondents to your post
has made commercial posts for their own money-making hobby in the past,
and I know for a fact they've recently broken the 'OT' rule. Their reply
when this was pointed out was something like "that rule hasn't been in
use for years". OK so that's not a charter thing, but it does make it a
bit difficult for newbies to know what they can and can't do.

I think the non-commercial rule is basically a good thing, but the way
some people in here enforce it against non-regulars is pathetic and
self-defeating. Thank your chosen deity the cops don't enforce the
traffic laws so stringently. A while back someone posted about a deal on
some well respected boots going at something like half price, & loads of
people here ordered them. If the company actually selling the boots had
posted about it, the same people who bought them would try to get their
account pulled instead. Illogical? Damn right. The non-commercial
posting may be a rule, but to enforce it to the letter without using
common sense is frankly bizarre.

--
Preston.

http://www.muddystuff.co.uk
Off-road motorcycle classifieds

'02 MV Senna '96 Tiger '00 XR400 '78 Fantic 250

 

ROFLMFAO

This is an obscene lie, and defamatory...

....you agree that when using a Group, you will not:

* Defame, abuse, harass, stalk, threaten or otherwise violate the
legal rights (such as rights of privacy and publicity) of others.
* Publish, post, upload, distribute or disseminate or offer to do the
same (hereinafter "Post") any inappropriate, defamatory, infringing,
obscene, or unlawful material or information.
--
Google does not regularly monitor or censor messages posted to Usenet
through Google Groups, but we do attempt to prevent wide-scale
spamming and other forms of Usenet abuse. While we appreciate how
annoying off-topic posts can be, we are not able to pursue most of the
complaints we receive about them. Unless the case involves numerous
repeat offenses or posting of someone's personal information (credit
card or social security numbers), we have found it much more effective
for the members of the group to express their displeasure directly to
the spammer. You can contact the individual directly through his or
her email address or by replying to the post within the group.
--
OK. Sorry. So I didn't abide by the charter (I didn't even bother to
read it since without a proper signature it has no real validity), but
I did apologise beforehand. This is an un-moderated group so I thought
I could get away with it. Perhaps I was wrong but since only 6 out of
the hundreds who use this group took offence, I think I got off
lightly.

Some years ago I used to be a regular on this group, but I now
remember why I quit. It is populated by a vociferous minority of
low-lifes who take delight in flaming others and who resort to the use
of 4-letter words as a substitute for real intelligent debate. The
sort who give motorcycling a bad name. Don't worry about trying to get
me removed - I'm outa here. I don't wish to remain in the company of
narrow-minded morons any longer. I hope you 6 flamers all get
punctures, and if you do, don't come anywhere near Southampton - I'm
much too busy.

Greg Smith
Ultraseal Southamton
www.ultraseal-soton.co.uk

 

No, it was a joke, you are obviously humourless.

That isn't my ISP's Usenet AUP.

This is:

Email and Usenet

The customer must not use clara.net's service for any of the following
purposes:

a) Initiating or propagating 'chain' email or 'pyramid' emails
b) Sending bulk or unsolicited emails, especially of a commercial nature
c) Using their clara.net account as a maildrop for responses for any of
the above

10) The customer must not email a person after they have specifically
requested that you do not mail them. This applies to any automated mail
system you employ.

11) The customer must not send email or post articles with headers
modified in such a way as to disguise the true source of such mail or
article. It is the customer's responsibilty to ensure that a real email
address is present and obvious to a human.

12) The customer must not post articles of a commercial nature to groups
which are inappropriate to the subject of the article. This covers
'spamming'.

13) The customer must not use the service to post articles which
contravene the charter of the group to which the posts are made. This
includes binary attachments being posted to non-binary newsgroups.

14) The customer must ensure that his or her equipment cannot be used to
relay mail for a third party.

And I don't break any of those rules.

I'd also *never* post from google. )

You should come to the EOSM, you might actually understand the group,
the people and the sense of humour a lot better.

I'll miss you Greg. You're spesh. OK, you don't understand usenet, but
you're still spesh.

 

Agreed, but surely the only difference is the motive for posting? The
end result is the same; the company get their publicity, and we (the
readers) get a spanking bargain, taking the boots as an example. OK in
Greg's case there may not be a bargain to be had, but it was still
useful information to me, & therefore probably others as well.

He may well have apologised if the replies had been more like the polite
"please read the FFAQ" given to top-posters. But as he got a couple of
"we're going to get your account pulled" replies instead, I think his
defence message was fully justified. The claims about posts in Google
may or may not have been misleading. The number quoted by Google is
prefixed with "about", & that number can be different when you run it on
2 PCs at the same time. I have tested this recently when seeing how my
site was doing, & was amazed at the different results you get. I'm not
saying his claim of 200 was true, but it probably wasn't deliberately
misleading. As for Ginge's post - you do know that was a joke, right?
Quite funny as well.

Exactly. So why is spam that is completely irrelevant to the group met
with a few witty responses, whereas Greg was jumped on without so much
as a warning? The fact that people may not take Sir. Tony seriously
doesn't sound a very plausible reason. I'm not saying what Greg did was
right. It was obviously against the charter, therefore it broke the
rules for the group. But the 'punishment' was way ott for the 'crime',
and inconsistent at best.

--
Preston.

http://www.muddystuff.co.uk
Off-road motorcycle classifieds

'02 MV Senna '96 Tiger '00 XR400 '78 Fantic 250

 

Bear fascinated us all by saying...

*waves*

--
Lozzo
'95 Kawasaki ZZR1100D, '97 Kawasaki GPZ500S, '83 Honda CB250RS
Big Zed Little Zed Dead shed
New to ukrm? : www.ukrm.net/faq/ukrmscbt.html
Need bike-kit? : www.hein-gericke.co.uk

 

<G> As soon as I read Bear's post I thought of Big J, but if the cap
fits ..

 

I like that idea ...

.... particularly this bit. However, I could see it degenerate into
slanging matches.

Way too much for a lazy sod like me.

 

There you go, then.. Your chance for incandescent glory. Take your
chums Greg and Preston and go found alt.moto.spam. No crossposts back
here, mind.

 

Preston Kemp was seen penning the following ode to ... whatever:

And how hard is it to see that with most of the weekly and monthly
comics check-full of advertising, we would like to have a
commercial-free zone here?

As a lot of others have said, having a bit of advertising in here is
like being a little bit pregnant - it won't work.

And regarding your "if he hadn't posted his spam I wouldn't know that
I could buy goods from a known spammer" argument, assuming you had
asked the group if someone knew where you could get product X near
where you live and Greg had popped up and said "we stock it", that
would probably be an entirely different ballgame.

No it wasn't. Everyone who *does* do their homework beforehand would
have found out that the charter for most uk.* groups states that no
commercial advertising is allowed, and that it's an especially sore
point in ukrm.

Because the ones who did reply to sir tony's post were the select very
few who either didn't ignore him or don't have him him kill-filed?

 

Don't be a complete pratt. If every twat posted "a short message" then UKRM
would turn into nothing more than a thousand infomercial posts a day.
Getting accounts cancelled leaves UKRM with a remarkably low level of such
spam. Thousands of other newsgroups have already been ruined by spam.

The only accepted method of advertising your loyalties on any newsgroup is
to include a discreet web site URL or email address in your signature. This
informs the readers your posts are likely to be biased on the issue and
yes, it does also provide commercial exposure.

 

I've been here for over six years and you don't ring any bells with me,
sweetie.

But then, cunts come and cunts go....

 

<snip>

Abuse report sent.

 

What a lot of self-justifying, whinging drivel you spout, Greg old
fruit.

Now **** right off.

--

Dave

GS 850 x2 / SE 6a
SbS#6? DIAABTCOD#16 APOSTLE#16? FUB#3
FUB KotL OSOS#12? UKRMMA#19

 

It was an advert. The only interest he's shown in the group is to
promote his wares.

**** him, and **** you.

--

Dave

GS 850 x2 / SE 6a
SbS#6? DIAABTCOD#16 APOSTLE#16? FUB#3
FUB KotL OSOS#12? UKRMMA#19