[QUOTE] HT*F* do you manage that? I'm 15st dead these days, and can still only get into 38".[/QUOTE] I'm 6 foot 3 and fairly slim built. I was a 34 inch waist until not so very long ago. In fact, when I left uni in 99 I was a 32. Main reason why I need a 36 waist isn't actually for the waist, it's for the thighs. I'm probably 34-35 inch waist but trousers that size have very slim legs, certainly too slim if you're a cyclist. So I need the bigger ones so I don't look like I'm wearing a pair of tights.