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On ukrm? Where _everything_ is in question?

All of it, really? I'll readily wager that I have Gaiman stuff that you
don't

"Mr Punch" has never been one of my favourites, although I do like "Violent
Cases". However I still think that for flashes of brilliance "Smoke &
Mirrors" far exceeds anything else.


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Simian says...

Well, if you with your supposed superhuman levels of intelligence and
literacy couldn't spot that simple yet stupid mistake, then maybe you
and the author ought to go back to basics.

FWIW, I'm reading a Jeremy Paxman non-fiction and a Pratchett Discworld
novel atm, both good in their own ways, but I obviously have a more open
mind than yourself.

 

Simian wrote

You said the people reading them were stupid or lazy. That is a
terrible thing to say when literacy levels are supposed to be dropping.
If people read it really doesn't matter what it is, at least they are
reading.

 

Good point well made.

Ooo such as? As far as I'm aware Simon and I have all of it between
us. And CIHAGM if there is any?

Smoke and Mirrors is the one I give to people to get them into Gaiman.

 

you're talking about adults reading Harry Potter. Please think about
that, and then read what you wrote again. Or, if that's too obtuse for
you, apply your "at least they are reading" to readers of The Sun.

Get it?

 

you're wasting your time, Simon.

The adults that read those books use the circular "I'm an adult and
reading them, and therefore they're intended to be read by adults"
argument.

I'd extend your thought that any adult reading a HP book is either
stupid or being lazy to include "believing the hype".

 

And of course it's literary snobbery on the part of those suggesting
that it's not great.

I'm sure Richard Hoggart will be delighted to know that his ideas have
fallen on deaf ears.

 

I'll happily admit to reading stuff that I'd categorize as "trash",
but at least it was originally intended to be read by adults.

I expect the ears concerned won't know who Hoggart is.

 

No indeed. Happy to remain proles, evidently.

 

He was just a smutty old man.

 

Why should anyone interested in literature and not
concerned with English teaching know of this fellow?

 

Because someone not interested in literature and not concerned with
English teaching might - just *might* - be interested in thinking and
ideas. And if they were, they would quickly come across Richard
Hoggart.

 

It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Simian

One seems to be written by Jeffrey Archer, right enough.

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No. Its easy reading style makes it bad read for adults.

 

That's what my parents used to say to each other as I bought yet
another Superman comic.

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So you would say that Hemingway, who is famous for the simplicity and
brevity of his sentences, is lazy reading, yes?

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That was style-driven, not driven by the reading level of the intended
audience. Hemmingway has complex, adult themes and concepts. Harry
Potter is about a boy-wizard and a flying car.

 

I reckon nothing of the sort. Your argument should be capable of being
supported without you having to put words in your opponents' mouths -
although I concede that in this case it's the only resorce you have
left.

I said you were talking crap in opining that I am either stupid or
being lazy in reading Harry Potter.

If you think I'm stupid then you really don't know me at all.

That leaves us with "lazy", so perhaps my rebuttal distils into me
thinking it's your definition of "lazy" that's crap. "Lazy" is a word
that implies criticism, and I see nothing to be criticised in wanting
to relax, whether it be physically or mentally. Having mown the lawn
I'm not being lazy in sitting in a deck-chair. Having had a difficult
day at work I'm not being lazy in wanting something very easy yet
enjoyable to read when I collapse into my armchair at home.

That's why I think that particular sentence of yours is crap. Perhaps
you just need to consult a dictionary occasionally.

 

You answered the wrong question.