Well as I've been taking more of an interest in people-powered 2 wheelers recently[1] I thought I'd have a look in on UKRC. That was a mistake, wasn't it? What a load of toss. I've only been skimming through the group for a couple of days and I'm already sick to the back teeth of trying to work out who's trolling who and based on what. Dear god, there's more chance of finding out something about motorcycles from this group than there is of finding anything useful in that place, and that's scary. [1] Can't afford petrol, see. -- AndrewR, D.Bot (Celeritas) Aprilia RSV-1000R, Honda VFR750F-L BOTAFOT#2,ITJWTFO#6,UKRMRM#1/13a,MCT#1,DFV#2,SKoGA#0 (and KotL) BotToS#5,SBS#25,IbW#34, DS#5, COSOC# Suspended, KotTFSTR# The speccy Geordie twat.
Yes, that's why there is going to be a moderated group. It satrted going downhill 3 years ago when regular 'rider down' posts appeared. It got worse, with every near miss argued about for days, then the trolls arrived who think helmets should be compulsory. If you want an off-road forum, the one at www.singletrackworld.com is alright. There is another road orientated one, but cannot recall the details now. Alan.
From a cursory glance it's hard to see how a moderated group is going help - there seem to be two sides who both make reasonable[1] posts with completely different points of view. See what I mean? That's a valid point of view. It's not one I subscribe to, but I can understand why people would think it. It's not like the trolls are posting saying "all cyclists are wankers"[2] I'll have a look around and see what there is - don't fancy that off-road stuff. [1] For Usenet values of 'reasonable' [2] Even though all cyclists *are* wankers -- AndrewR, D.Bot (Celeritas) Aprilia RSV-1000R, Honda VFR750F-L BOTAFOT#2,ITJWTFO#6,UKRMRM#1/13a,MCT#1,DFV#2,SKoGA#0 (and KotL) BotToS#5,SBS#25,IbW#34, DS#5, COSOC# Suspended, KotTFSTR# The speccy Geordie twat.
Yep. Helmets and cars are the two major issues, with two camps - pain in the arse cyclists with their all too common attitude that they're doing the world a favour by riding a bike, and the whole world is against them for it, and people who turn up and go "Make helmets compulsory" or "I like driving quickly" and wind up the first lot. As others have said, it used to be a *reasonable* group before. I've found the attitude on cycling forums to be odd fairly often - as if cycling sets you apart from the rest of humanity. The good thing about this place is that people just call you a ****. On UKRC they spend hours writing great theses on why you're a ****.
And we've only got the one Camp. -- AndrewR, D.Bot (Celeritas) Aprilia RSV-1000R, Honda VFR750F-L BOTAFOT#2,ITJWTFO#6,UKRMRM#1/13a,MCT#1,DFV#2,SKoGA#0 (and KotL) BotToS#5,SBS#25,IbW#34, DS#5, COSOC# Suspended, KotTFSTR# The speccy Geordie twat.
Nobody is a troll on there. They're all cycling around with massive chips on their shoulders and even I as a cyclist hate the group. It should be called uk.rec.victim.mentality.
< snip > It used to be okay. Perhaps all the cyclists on ukrm should stage a coordinated mass takeover?
Well quite. Stating your opinion, which others may disagree with isn't Trolling AFAIK. Making up stuff which you don't really believe or know about and posting it just to cause annoyance or friction, is Trolling? Wonder what pseudonym I should use for UKRC..... It seems to me that all bicycles being used on public roads should carry ANPR readable number plates, riders should have 3rd party liability insurance and CE approved helmets should be compulsory.
Do we have to cycle there or can we go in the car? -- AndrewR, D.Bot (Celeritas) Aprilia RSV-1000R, Honda VFR750F-L BOTAFOT#2,ITJWTFO#6,UKRMRM#1/13a,MCT#1,DFV#2,SKoGA#0 (and KotL) BotToS#5,SBS#25,IbW#34, DS#5, COSOC# Suspended, KotTFSTR# The speccy Geordie twat.
Well, it's the information superhighway, isn't it? That implies cycles should be on a cycletrack next to it.
....and cyclists should have to pass a test before being allowed on public roads and bicycles should have to pass an MOT test. Bicyles should be taxed and required to display a tax disc.
don't forget an annual mot on all bicycles three years old or more, working lights and horn and minimum tyre tread depth, operating licence with theory and practical components...
ANPR readable number plates... not unreasonable. How? Where would you put them that didn't pose a danger for the rider and potentially anyone else involved in an accident with a bike? Think back to front plates on motorcycles. 3rd party insurance... yeah, agree with that one. I actually have it. CE approved helmet... no, don't agree. Cycle helmets have yet to be proven to have a measurable benefit, so until they are, I quite like the personal choice. Cycling test... again, not unreasonable. At least demonstrable knowledge of the Highway Code, but at what age? You can ride a bike at any age. And if you don't pass the test, you'll have people riding illegally on pavements endangering pedestrians. Bicycle MOT... again, not unreasonable that someone's equipment is properly maintained. Tax... why? Road fund licence, AIUI is calculated based on emissions now and previously vehicle weights to indicate damage to the road surface. A cycle has no emissions and does causes no wear.
