U.S. Government ban on mini bikes?

Discussion in 'Motorbike Technical Discussion' started by Mike Corey, Feb 6, 2009.

  1. Mike Corey

    Mike Corey Guest

    Okay, tell me what you know about this ban on mini motorcycles less then
    100cc. I've been reading lots of speculation on the internet, but I'm
    looking for hard facts.

    I have a 20 month old grand daughter, and a 6 month old grandson that
    I'm sure one day will want to ride a motorcycle. Being I'm a fan of
    Honda, the logical first bike for them would be the CRF50F, or maybe a
    CRF70F? I'd like to buy them one and put it away for a year or so, then
    the grand daughter could start riding, maybe spring of 2010.

    All of this talk about banning mini motorcycles because of the lead used
    in manufacturing has gotten out of control.

    Here's what I know so far that is factual.

    My wife called our local Honda dealer today just to see if it was true.
    YES, it is. He said that the parts with the most lead content on a
    CRF50F is the handgrips and the rubber top on the ignition key. He said
    that come Feb. 9, 2009 all the bikes he has under 100cc will be loaded
    up and returned to Honda America. So if I was looking to buy a small
    bike, tomorrow, Saturday would be my last chance.

    I can't figure this out. It would be easy and cheap to just change the
    handgrips and key, then keep selling the bikes as usual. Or are the
    motorcycle manufacturers just saying "Screw you" to the USA and pulling
    their bikes off the market?

    Will there be 2010 mini bikes for sale with the corrected parts? Or will
    mini bikes be banned forever?

    Please reply ASAP, and with facts, and only facts. I'm going to my
    dealer tomorrow and have a talk with him. If I feel small bikes will be
    no more, I just may come home with one or two. Maybe three or four still
    in the crates? I could sell the extras in a few years for a major
    profit?
     
    Mike Corey, Feb 6, 2009
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  2. Mike Corey

    WoodsChick Guest

    You've got yourself another year, at least...

    http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml09/09115.html


    This is the letter that was sent to Honda dealers from American
    Honda's senior vice president, Ray Blank...

    Dear Honda Dealer:

    On August 14, 2008, Congress enacted the Consumer Product Safety
    Improvement Act of 2008 (CPSIA or Act). The Act was primarily in
    reaction to the recent influx of lead-tainted toys that resulted in
    numerous recalls and significant public outcry for more stringent
    government standards.

    The CPSIA requires manufacturers of “Children’s Products,” defined as
    those products designed or intended primarily for children 12 years of
    age or younger, to meet increasingly stringent lead paint and lead
    content standards and to certify, based on third party testing, that
    the products meet the Act’s requirements. Products that fail to comply
    with the prescribed lead limits are considered a “banned hazardous
    substance” and cannot be sold or offered for sale. Violation of the
    prescribed limits (initial limits detailed below) can result in severe
    civil and criminal penalties.

    Ban of lead in paint over 600ppm (parts per million)

    Honda’s paint contains little or no lead and easily complies with even
    the most stringent requirement.

    Ban of lead in substrate material over 600ppm

    Honda is still in process of completing tests on all of the materials
    used in our small ATV’s and motorcycles; however, some alloy materials
    commonly used to manufacture motor vehicles may inherently contain
    levels of lead that are (or ultimately will be) above the current, or
    future more aggressive, limits set forth in the Act.

    Honda and other members of the Motorcycle Industry Council and
    Specialty Vehicle Institute of America, which face the same issues as
    Honda, are actively working to exempt the alloy parts for small
    motorcycles and ATVs from the terms of the Act. The lead embedded in
    the alloys used in these products is not transferred through typical
    use of these products. Our shared belief is that Congress never
    intended the lead content provisions of the Act, which originally were
    aimed at toys that can be mouthed by children, to be applicable to
    small ATVs and motorcycles.

    Even more concerning is that the Consumer Product Safety Commission
    (CPSC), the agency charged with enforcing the Act, recently ruled that
    Congress intended the lead content regulations to be retroactive. This
    means that, regardless of its date of manufacture or the fact that it
    complied with all applicable laws and regulations at the date of
    manufacture, any children’s product manufactured with even a single
    component part containing lead in excess of the limits will no longer
    be legal for sale as of February 10, 2009. The economic impact of the
    CPSC’s ruling will be substantial for both dealers and manufacturers
    in an already weakened economy.

    What all of this means to you is that – without Congressional or CPSC
    action -- you will not be able to sell new or used TRX 90, CRF 50F,
    CRF 70F, or CRF 80F models after February 10, 2009, stranding your
    investment in your new and used inventory. In fact, under the terms of
    the Act you cannot even display these models on your showroom floor,
    distribute brochures, or advertise them on your website.

    **REVIEW IMMEDIATELY**

    As Honda and others continue to work towards a satisfactory resolution
    to this dilemma, we urge you to support an industry effort by
    contacting your Congressional delegation and Senators and urging them
    to ensure that small motorcycles and ATVs are exempted from the lead-
    content provisions of the Act. Copies of letters already sent by the
    MIC and SVIA to various members of Congress are attached for your
    reference.

    We ask for your patience and understanding as we work through this
    unfortunate process together. You may continue to sell these models
    lawfully and with all existing Honda retail support through February
    9th, 2009. We will advise you if the industry is able to obtain an
    exemption from the lead content regulation. In the interim, we will
    keep you posted on developments and business actions necessary from
    February 10th forward to comply with this Act. With best regards,
    American Honda Motor Co., Inc.



    Tami-
     
    WoodsChick, Feb 7, 2009
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  3. I don't think he was being entirely honest here. :)
    And here he was applying pressure to make a sale.

    Stop worrying, and go and curse your idiot legislators. You might spend
    your time more usefully, than posting thios sort of crap, in determining
    just how many clean-living American kids have been poisoned by lead in
    motorcycles.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Feb 7, 2009
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  4. Mike Corey

    WoodsChick Guest

    Well, then I guess the AMA is gullible, too...

    http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/story.asp?id=595



    Tami-
     
    WoodsChick, Feb 7, 2009
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  5. The Older Gentleman, Feb 7, 2009
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  6. Mike Corey

    . Guest

    Mind your own business, Limey Troll.
     
    ., Feb 7, 2009
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  7. *Sigh*

    Back to your under-age girls, please.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Feb 7, 2009
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  8. Mike Corey

    Who Me? Guest

    Could be. Certainly wouldn't be the first time a respected organization has
    been sucked into a scam.
    An organization is, after all, just a group of people.
     
    Who Me?, Feb 7, 2009
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  9. Mike Corey

    . Guest

    Mind your own business, Limey Troll.
     
    ., Feb 7, 2009
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  10. Back to your under-age girls, please.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Feb 7, 2009
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  11. Mike Corey

    . Guest

    Piss off, limey tosser.
     
    ., Feb 7, 2009
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  12. Mike Corey

    Wudsracer Guest

    I spoke with two Honda dealers today. I was told that Honda, after
    they figured out just exactly where lead might be on the bikes and a
    ruling was reached on whether this law should be applied to small atvs
    and motorcycles, would update the bikes by replacing the offending
    parts.

    Basically, if I want to purchase a CRF50 or CRF70 in the near future,
    I need to get it on Monday. (Found 2 new CRF 50s for $950 ear, if I
    wanted one.)

    Jim

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    Wudsracer, Feb 7, 2009
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  13. Mike Corey

    S'mee Guest

    Obviously you know nnothing of the subject...typical californian
    leftists mentality.
     
    S'mee, Feb 8, 2009
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  14. Mike Corey

    S'mee Guest

    S'mee, Feb 8, 2009
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  15. Mike Corey

    S'mee Guest

    Fine nimrod, WHERE is the lead on/in a motorcycle that a child (such
    as yourself) could get at it and ingest it? By the standards of the
    bill (I've read it) cars, pickups, suv's and such will be banned also
    or banned from hauling children under the age of 12 anyway(isn't that
    the ideal age of your girlfriends)
     
    S'mee, Feb 8, 2009
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  16. Mike Corey

    . Guest

    Wazzup, psychophant dude?

    Is your nose so far up The Old Gasbag's ass you have to follow him
    everywhere he goes?
     
    ., Feb 8, 2009
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  17. Mike Corey

    . Guest

    I don't give a dead rat's ass where the lead in Japanese motorcycles
    is at, and why should *you* care? You already ate the paint chips and
    passed on your damaged DNA...
     
    ., Feb 8, 2009
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  18. Mike Corey

    S'mee Guest

    Sociopath...tryin to suck up to your betters again.
    Actually I've been reading up on this since it came out a while back.
    When you get a clue...you'll still be a clueless know nothing.
     
    S'mee, Feb 8, 2009
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  19. Mike Corey

    S'mee Guest

    Obviously you aren't smart enough to figure out WHERE the problems
    are. Something you have in common with the twits who wrote the
    ruling...legislation and opinions.

    You obviously have no ability to understand or comprhend the subject
    and thus choose the tack of chasing after the object of your repressed
    homosexual fantasies. Have a nice day loser.
     
    S'mee, Feb 8, 2009
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  20. Mike Corey

    . Guest

    Hey! Quit following me everywhere I go, Stevie!

    Sending me your little "love notes" won't get you into my pants!
     
    ., Feb 8, 2009
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