tyres

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by darsy, Apr 6, 2005.

  1. darsy

    darsy Guest

    I was just pondering on the irony that the most expensive tyres last
    the least number of miles, and then got to thinking - is this actually
    a valid state of affairs or a marketing issue?

    I.e. does a Rennsport/Dragon Corsa/BT010 etc. really cost twice as much
    to make as a BT45?
     
    darsy, Apr 6, 2005
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    darsy Guest

     
    darsy, Apr 6, 2005
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    flash Guest

     
    flash, Apr 6, 2005
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  4. darsy

    darsy Guest

    I don't think so - I think Flash is closer to the money.

    Consider especially tyres that have the same carcass, and just
    different grades of rubber - surely it's too much of a coincidence that
    the stickier rubber happens to be the more expensive it is?
     
    darsy, Apr 6, 2005
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  5. darsy

    ogden Guest

    Increased R&D costs of making it stickier in the right way?

    Or just general capitalism. Sticky tyres are more fashionable.
     
    ogden, Apr 6, 2005
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  6. darsy

    Champ Guest

    Probably not in pure manufacturing terms. However, more R&D will have
    probably have been done on the performance tyres, and as Ogden says,
    the marketing budget will also go there, and it would make the
    non-sports tyres uncompetitive if these costs were shared across the
    range.
     
    Champ, Apr 6, 2005
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  7. darsy

    Ben Blaney Guest

    development and testing?
     
    Ben Blaney, Apr 6, 2005
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  8. darsy

    flash Guest

    It must be a *LOT* more expensive to test the non sticky tyres to ensure
    they make you crash when you lean over too far.
     
    flash, Apr 6, 2005
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  9. darsy

    darsy Guest

    the above is the verbose version of "wibble-flip", presumably.
     
    darsy, Apr 6, 2005
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  10. darsy

    darsy Guest

    I hadn't really given much thought to R&D costs, mainly because I
    assumed all of the tyre manufacturers would constantly be doing
    research in any case, as part of their day-to-day business model.

    However, I will concede that you are probably correct about the
    pricing. I still reckon the sticky tyres are priced up because people
    "instinctively" believe that "more expensive" = "better".
     
    darsy, Apr 6, 2005
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  11. darsy

    Champ Guest

    Well yes, but the cost of R&D has to go on the product somehow.
    I'm sure this is also true.
     
    Champ, Apr 6, 2005
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    rb Guest

    I don't know about the tyre industry but in many other industries the
    key players spend the most on R&D to keep ahead of the pack who learn
    from their efforts.
    The perfume business model.
     
    rb, Apr 6, 2005
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  13. darsy

    ogden Guest

    This year's cutting edge is next year's cheap model.
     
    ogden, Apr 6, 2005
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  14. darsy

    darsy Guest

    very high product volume business models spread the cost across the
    range; in fact, someone like Microsoft charge more for some products
    (say, CMS Server) than others (Windows XP) despite the fact XP cost
    several magnitudes more to develop than the Server product.
    The tyres on my RGV have about one track-day left in them[1] and I'm
    going to try those cheap-o chinese[2]-made ones that Flash put on his
    chick-wheels, and that the supermoto crowd seem to rate.

    [1] very tempted by 100%'s "79 quid for newbies" offer for Rockingham
    National circuit this coming Sunday, but the weather forecast isn't
    encouraging.
    [2] Maxxis née Cheng Shing.
     
    darsy, Apr 6, 2005
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  15. darsy

    rb Guest

    I know of semiconductors that are sold into different product sectors
    at different prices simply because those are the prices the respective
    markets will accept. The only difference in the chips themselves is the
    number on the packaging.
     
    rb, Apr 6, 2005
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  16. darsy

    flash Guest

    We have a product that sold more when we increased the price, as its lower
    price meant people perceived it as inferior to more expensive products
    (despite a higher spec).
     
    flash, Apr 6, 2005
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  17. darsy

    Champ Guest

    But the sales of XP will be several magnitudes higher than CMS server.
    But, as I think we both agree, how you spread R&D across a product
    range is driven as much by marketing as anything else.
     
    Champ, Apr 6, 2005
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  18. darsy

    darsy Guest

    so, in short, sticky tyres are a rip-off ;-)
     
    darsy, Apr 6, 2005
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  19. darsy

    flash Guest

    What we need are some quality open source linux based tyres.
     
    flash, Apr 6, 2005
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