Tyres in Sydney - where to buy?

The other poster compared bike tyres to 4wd tyres, hence the comment,
it's a joke joyce !!

JL
(it's nice to not be me failing to get the joke for a change

 

You were doing just fine until here ! You're comparing el cheapo car
tyres with, super sticky bike tyres. The equivalent to the Falcadore
offering in question is indeed a Cheng Shin cheapy for $100. You don't
think those $89 tyres are giving the maximum amount of grip that is
possible do you?

True. BUT. Because they choose to do so... for the same reason I happily
pay whatever it costs to get the stickiest possible tyres on a car
that's closer to a VF800 than it is an R1 (ie sports tourer not full on
sports), I happily buy the stickiest sports tyres I can find to stick on
the fat overweight touring bike (Bandit) - I don't give a monkey's about
tyre life, if I need to throw it hard into a corner or do an emergency
stop, I want the maximum amount of grip money can buy. I have a
perfectly good touring compound front tyre sitting in the shed I took of
the Bandit the day I bought it...

Whether it's overkill matters little to me - for a small amount of money
I get greater peace of mind. I suspect I'm not the only one. And the
dollars involved aren't that much, because unlike 2000, 2001, I'm not
doing many Kms a year and hence the annual cost is trivial.

Dissimilar products

You're comparing Mangos and guavas ?

JL

 

You got that bit right. Except I'd rate it below average, myself. Not
that I expect it to be otherwise, mind you - it does what I ask of it,
and I get to have a bit of fun on weekends if I can find time.

Hey! I've seen Falcadores in worse nick than my beemer! At least all the
lights work on mine.

Thank you, that's just made my point much more clearly than I did.

DaZZa

 

Neither. I'm just gonna run it until it explodes, and buy another one.



DaZZa

 

Nope we are comparing car tyres to Bike tyres.

K series bmw still needs decent tyres for grip.
He said he had a set of metzelers which are sport tourers
Regardless the grip compound is still better than any car's tyres.

Nope different compounds all together.

Ca't compare car tyres to bike tyres.
Bike tyres, even the crappiest, still have better compounds than your
average car tyres.

Economies of scale and also compounds.
More research is taken in the production of an average bike tyre in
comparison to an average car tyre.

Nope, we are comparing car tyres to bike tyres.

 

Rubber for the Landcrab is $225 each. I only need 4 at a time

 

Yeah yeah, ok, you win!

G

 

Actually, I'm comparing minimum practical tyre performance
to financial outlay.

See, toldya! (Nothing like an out of context post to
support an argument!)

Well, not really. Take another angle. Cheapest practical
(ie: safe, not complete shit, etc) for the car is $100,
and for the bike is $300. Bikes have stickier tyres 'cos
they *need* the stickier tyres to perform at a minimum
safe level.

Define minimum safe level for both types of vehicle as,
for example, go around corners reasonably quickly without
sliding all over the shop, no nasty little surprises when
something a bit out of the ordinary happens, and not be
completely fucked in the rain. Do that, and you get numbers
circa $100/corner for cars, $220/$300 for bikes. Apply that
approach and compounds, quality, wear, etc all become
irrelevant: you buy a tyre that meets 'minimum safe' for
each vehicle, and compare $$$.


I'm on a set of those $250 Metzelers now, and lemmetellya,
I'm getting about the same degree of safety and stickiness
(or lack thereof as it were) as those $89.00 Bob Jane
specials would give you on a falcodore. They don't fit
the abovementioned 'minimum safe' in my view.

#include <disclaimer.h> /* tyres were on the bike when I
got it, by the time I've learned
to ride the bike I'll have worn
out the tyres and I can fit actual
tyres to it. arguments may be
largely or entirely fictional to
suit the requirements of the
current usenet discussion*/

Yah, that's fine, well and good, 'n' all. But you don't get *those*
tyres for $300 for the bandit, and you don't get *that* performance
for $100 for the car. Add $100-$200 to *both* of those numbers, and
you get tyre performance as you describe for both vehicles.

Same level of performance.

I'm thinking of trying some durian next.


G, sheesh, who farted?

 

I've tried durian. They don't smell as bad as people say, but they don't
taste as good as people say either. Taste OK but very very rich. You can't
eat much of it at one sitting.

Theo

 

Which part of 'the car had 17" wheels and tyres fitted at the factory' are you
having trouble comprehending? I could have asked them to fit 15" rims and
tyres, but the dealer would probably have increased the cost of the car as a
result of the extra labour. Yes it is a "car" and I don't need to shop
elsewhere for tyre bargains, I pay the same regardless of the actual
replacement cost, so I shall no doubt be choosing the most expensive available
which match the manufacturer specification.

Nev..
'03 ZX12R

 

The part where you're paying $400.00 a corner for tyres.

There ya go. The part where *you* aren't the one paying $400 a
corner for tyres.

That's bloody bordering on trolling ya bastard!

G

 

No you weren't otherwise you wouldn't have excluded the "korean and
chinese cheapies". The equivalent tyres in terms of performance are the
Cheng Shin et al. You do realise that Cheng Shin bought all the gear off
Yokohama when they pulled out of motorbike tyres ? They're not that bad
- just not as high tech as the latest Michelin/Dunlop/Pirelli with fancy
silicon and etc

Untrue, cheapest practical in both cases is about the same price. You
don't really think those Bob Jane specials are sports tyres do you ?

Bullshit. And every bike needs to be a minimum of 100RWHP so you can
power out of trouble ? What a crock mate !

Yeah that's a reasonable definition. The crossply technology from 30
years ago was able to do that OK, and the sort of tyre you get for a
$100 is shitloads better than a late 70 or early 80s tyre.

Naah ya get around a $100 ish each (in fact your criteria excludes the
$89 special you mentioned - I drove a Falcon hire car with a set of
those, it was bloody unsafe trying to pull it up - constantly locking
up. No grip at all.

Yup see above

Personal perspective that is based on a very narrow understanding of
motorcycle capability and riding - sorry no offence but there's no way
those metzlers are that bad unless they're seriously old and gone hard
from age.

Huh ? You're not listening. Yes I do for the Bandit, and no of course
not for the car, that being my point.

The supersticky bike tyres go for $280-340 each in common 17"
sizes(120/70/17//180/??/17), the equivalent supersticky's for my car in
a common 17" size (stock - 225/45/17 ) go for 350(Dunlop)-500(Michelin
Pilot/ Pirelli P Zero). Comparing apples with applesthe car tyres are
dearer. If I go to a cheapy I can drop the price down to about 150 for
the car and a bit cheaper for the bike. The cheapies will suck on both
and I'm not prepared to go down to that, but the option is available.

Farted ? More like where's the dead rat ?

JL
(but it tastes good

 

GB, pick up your Bob Jane cattle dog again, and look up the prices for a
set of 235/45/17 tyres (the most common car tyre size for large cars
nowadays - as used by anything above the poverty pack Falcon and
Commodores and heaps of other stuff).

Alternatively would you like to come over and eyeball the receipt for
$500 per tyre that I paid for 4 x Michelin Pilot Sports in 225/45/17 for
the A4 ?

JL
(oem was about $40 cheaper but the reviews weren't as good, come for a
drive and I'll show you why I'm happy to pay that for tyres

 

In other words, you've never bought a sports tyre in your life and
you're just making this up as you go.

What do you think, this is the Work Experience edition of Harsh Week?
You saw an argument taking place and thought you'd wade in to try to
learn by doing?

 

Pretty much, yeah. Bought a metric fuckload of car tyres in
my life. Sold and fitted a few too.

Well maybe, but it's not particularly harsh. Yet.

Pretty much, yeah. Why the hell not? I've paid for an argument
after all. (Mind you, this isn't so much an argument as an
ongoing mindless waffle interspersed with selective ignorance
of facts, semantics and perspectives)


G, not yet convinced that its time to do a Gerry

 

Actually, I were. I specifically excluded both the Bob Jane
special and the 'korean and chinese cheapies' 'cos they don't
fit 'minimum practical' in my world.

Well, I didn't specifically exclude them for nothin.

Ah yeah. "Power out of trouble". Actually, I was thinking
"go around corners in the rain without fucking up".


[...]

Happy to be edumacated. You come and ride the bloody thing
and tell me different. Why so many little step-outs and
surprises when doing remarkably benign things? I ride slower
than your grandmother does, and I still don't trust the
fuckers.

I never claimed not to be a bike.noob. Yeah, so I need to go
to superbike school. I'll be the first to admit. Not doing it
on this set of tyres tho.

You've got this special way of postfixing the offensive stuff
with "sorry, no offence"

"I'll give ya threefiddyandakickindanuts for ya bike, sorry,
no offence"... "You can't ride for shit, sorry, no offence"...
"you suck, sorry, no offense"

Mind if I borrow that, might use it on someone one day? <grin>
(sorry, no offense)

They're only a year old if the receipts are to be believed. They've
got the right amount of wear on 'em for the number of Km's it's
got on it in the last year.

No comeback. I'm confused. Thort you were paying $500 for a supersticky
rear?

Biiiiig fuckin' wheels/tyres... tiny little car. Wheeeeeeee! Fun
Fun!

Well and good but the point I was trying to make was that the
$300-$350 bike tyre, supersticky or otherwise, is (sensible) entry
level for bike tyres no? Sensible entry level for car tyres is
quite a lot of $$$ before the level you're at. Ignore how terrified
of life Guy's stats and facts makes you for a moment(!), and think
how a regular punter who wants to get from 'A' to 'B' with a bit
of fun along the way thinks.

Choice is yours. I'm probably misguided by my own experience of
the particular set of tyres I have on my bike right now, but
my perception is that the $150 tyres on the car (particularly
if they're still 17in and 45 profile) will be a whole lot more
comfy than a similarly priced bike tyre.


G, almost ready to do a Gerry

 

Oh, but you are. You are.

 

Sure I mentioned those in my OP. Words to the effect of "your
average BJ" [ha ha! he said 'BJ!!' ha ha!] "customer's idea
of performance is a VK Commondore with a bonnet scoop" and
pointed out the $220.00 235/45-17s...

Dunlop SP3000A they are.

Can't be arsed going back to look for my OP, but here's the
URL:
<http://www.bobjane.com.au/Specials/PerformanceCars.asp?initMedia=1&media=flash>


If they were any pricier than that, I'd have had the common
decency to leave them out 'cos they didn't support my argument.

You're no more gonna actually show me the receipt than I'm gonna
let you actually ride the pig, but no, I'm happy to take your word
for it. Bloody hell that's a lot of money for street tyres on
a car that belongs to someone who owns a bike.

I mean, I could understand if your idea of performance was the
aforementioned VK Commondore...

Oi! I'm *stupid*, not *mad*! Theres a difference ya know!


G, who wonders out loud what the point of driving a car is if you
can't slide the bastard everywhere!

 

You got ripped off!

Hammo

 

....but that aint a sports car!

Hammo