[QUOTE="Bear"] Well firstly I'm hardly a riding god, most especially not these days, and secondly I'm fairly sure, on a sports bike at least, you'd notice the difference.[/QUOTE] As I said, maybe but I'm not so sure. Remember you're conversing with someone who has never ever changed the suspension settings on any of his bikes either. I just tend to get on and ride, without noticing that one things is better than another. [QUOTE] [1] as opposed to Serious Steve ... the thing is, Serious Steve isn't that serious, he's just not as silly as Silly Steve [2][/QUOTE] What about Seasick Steve? Do you know him? [QUOTE] Silly Steve turned to me and said "I'm just popping outside for a J,"[/QUOTE] ^ My first thought was "J? What does he mean?" followed by "Surely not short for J Arthur" followed even more closely by "Ewwww" before I finally twigged!