Two questions for JP

As you've been round and about the past few days I thought I'd throw these
quickies at you.

The first one came up buried in some other thread, so you probably missed it
....

1. If you come to a police check point where they are "randomly" stopping
all bikes, but letting other vehicles through, and they ask you to wait to
have your vehicle and documents inspected, do you actually have to wait? If
you ride off back the way you came or simply leave the bike and walk off
what action would be likely?

2. My SO is currently out on placement as part of her midwifery course.
She tells me that several of the community midwives have 9 points on their
licences because they've been nicked while on their way to attend home
births that are happening unexpectedly early or quickly. She says that
rather than these points coming from speed cameras the midwives in question
have actually been pulled over, have explained their situation and have
still been done. I appreciate that midwives aren't trained in high-speed
driving, but shouldn't the police try to help out in such circumstances,
given that two lives could easily be at risk? Is this just a case of
Geordie coppers being complete bastards?

Right, quick answers or you'll be hearing from my legal representatives.

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drugs began to take hold. I remember "AndrewR"
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Cunts, by the sound of it.

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They are only obeying orders.

 

You do but only for a "reasonable" time. What exactly would constitute
a reasonable time is open for debate and challenge in court though. I
cant think of any test cases

Probably - I know the on call doctor service in Surrey have been
stopped quite a few times. They werent prosecuted but a letter was
sent to the mangement team pointing out that although morally they
might have the high ground they were still breaking the law and could
end up in all sorts of problems if they had a prang. They agreed and
just set a protocol of requesting an escort if and when needed and it
seems to work

Dont threaten me or its another case for RJ&W!!

 

<cynical>
"We were stopping random vehicles to check for insurance and MOT
certificates, thereby making the roads safer, m'lud."

 

So if you decided to leave you'd be hoping that a magistrate would accept
your definition of "reasonable" over that of a traffic cops? Sounds like a
hiding to nowhere.

Don't the police have to provide a reason why they've stopped you? I don't
suppose, "He was on a bike" would be good enough, would it?

Do your lot not mind being called out just to provide an escort service?

What does the escort service entail; driving over the speed limit or just
getting a path cleared for you?

How much do they cost and can I book one for my own private entertainment

Hah! My legal team[1] aren't scared of RJ&W.

Do your worst, copper, you'll never take me alive, etc.

[1] Um, would you mind being my legal representative for this case, please?


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I thought the scrapping of the discredited "sus" laws had put an end
to all this nonsense. If a copper stops me I'd really like to here a
good reason.

 

<Thoughtful>

If you got a group of, say, 20 or 30 bikers who were all stopped at a
"random" check I wonder if you could bring some sort of class action against
the police force in question.

Presumably you could make the force release records about what types of
vehicles were stopped and explain, for each of the parties in the action,
why they were stopped.

Anybody know if this would have a chance of getting through as a human
rights violation?


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Christofire wrote

The enabling legislation for your identity card will remove any nagging
doubts you have about cynicism. When the vision that nutter Blunkett
has for our future comes to be they will be able to stop you any time
they fancy on the pretext of checking you are carrying your identity
card.

 

If one of the aforementioned bikers had a camcorder and started
recording the events at the road block what would be the Police
reaction, could they legally stop him or impound the tape? I suspect his
camera would suffer a fatal accident or dissappear altogether.

 

Dead right.

 

Another case? Which are the others?

 

Thanks.

I would have thought a Union "Jack" was more appropriate:

1. It's the logo of the BNP;

2. This country prosecuted Germany's leaders, rejecting the German
military code which forbids compliance with immoral orders, while
the UK's own legislation requires military personnel to obey all
orders regardless.


( that's what the krauts meant - they were being ironic about the British )

 

Ben Blaney wrote

With any luck I will be before I am.

 

AndrewR wrote in
Yes. They would probably produce a statistic that showed 67.2% of
motorcycles stopped for speeding contravened some reg(s) e.g. illegal
exhaust, small plate. Similar stats for cars that they produce would
show only 0.00000000001%. This would, in their mindset, legitimate the
targeting of motorcyclists.

They have enough cases to show that they target other groups too e.g.
they have a purpose built weighbridge at the southern end of the M50 for
targeting overloaded HGVs; PSVs were checked at various seaside resorts
last summer; and cattle trucks and farmers' Land Rovers get their tanks
checked for red diesel at markets.


If they were stopping "random vehicles" then they would have to show
that they stopped cars, HGV etc.

Can't see it happening myself. I'm sure the Road Haulage Association
would have had a go if they could make a case.

 

To save me going looking it up, what *is* there to stop you leaving it
in your other pants, or saying "I don't want to lose it to the
terrorists so I keep it locked up at home!"

 

The law that says you've got to carry it.

hth

 

If its that urgent that a midwife is needed at home in the manchester area
it is the ambulance that normally call for them. I would say that 90% of
things on scene can be done by a paramedic, there for there isn't much risk
to either. If the mid wifes want to speed its up to them and they sould
face the same punishment we all should. If its really that bad they should
be able to get a Rapid Response Vehicle to take them, not let them be
escorted.

Ken
B12
Paramedic

 

But some people are bound to lose it/forget it/eat it etc, so what
then? Is it really bang 'em up?

 

Prolly 50 quid for first offence.