Turning The TW200 Into A Street Bike (Mostly)

Discussion in 'Motorbike Technical Discussion' started by Bill Miller., Aug 9, 2008.

  1. Bill Miller.

    TOG@Toil Guest

    The US will get the diesel 'thing' eventually, once peoples' archaic
    preconceptions are overcome. The only thing that I miss when driving a
    diesel is a musical exhaust note and, sometimes, a soaring rev counter
    needle.

    Last week, I was driving a Honda CRV. No idea if that's sold in the
    US: it's a soft-roader. Mainly FWD, but if it needs extra grip or the
    front wheels start spinning, it gives the rear wheels an extra shove.
    Lovely VTEC engine and as smooth as you like.

    But just the wrong engine for the vehicle. No low down torque at all.
    As I was towing hot air balloons with it, this was A Bit Tiresome. The
    diesel Discovery we were also using was way better.

    OK, so that's an unfair comparison really, but many modern diesels are
    absolutely super drivers' cars.
     
    TOG@Toil, Aug 13, 2008
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  2. Bill Miller.

    TOG@Toil Guest

    On 13 Aug, 16:25, Blattus Slafaly <>
    wrote:
    y.
    That does sound a bit 'black helicopter', you know.
     
    TOG@Toil, Aug 13, 2008
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  3. Bill Miller.

    . Guest

    Yes, I can imagine that it was complicated, farting into a hose to
    keep the balloons aloft, and driving at the same time. ;-)
     
    ., Aug 13, 2008
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  4. <Baffled>

    You really, really, really are not the remotest bit funny. You can't do
    insults, you can't do sarcasm, you can't do irony, you can't do
    humour...

    It's like that old Billy Connolly sketch of Glaswegian kids trying to
    swear but not getting it quite right.

    "You... you... you **** bugger jobbies, you. Aye, an' underpants, too!"
     
    The Older Gentleman, Aug 13, 2008
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  5. Bill Miller.

    . Guest

    ., Aug 13, 2008
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  6. Bill Miller.

    Bill Miller. Guest

    No, they weren't. You claimed a dictionary definition to prove your
    point. And there was no dictionary definition, was there? You made it
    up. If your definition had been valid, you'd have been able to find a
    dictionary source to back it up. But you couldn't, so you were forced
    to resort to lying, and reckoned you wouldn't be called out over it.
    Unfortunately for you, though, and as I pointed out, words are my
    business, and I can frequently tell when someone's dug themselves a
    lovely deep hole with the 'very exact instrument' (as I called it)
    that is the English language. I even warned you: "You must be prepared
    to be tripped up by someone who can wield the instrument better than
    you can". It's not often you see such a perfect demonstration in
    action, is it? I mean, people get away with all kinds of fibs and
    obfuscations[1] on Usenet, but rarely do you see someone first warned
    that they're on thin ice, and then watch while they fall straight
    through it, as they try and lie their way out of trouble.

    ---I reposted this entire vainglorious diatribe just to prove how far
    the pompous, egocentric old bastard has sunk, deeper and deeper into
    his delusional state. It's so sad to see someone, as they get older,
    plummet even further into mental and emotional oblivion like TOG has.
    I made a utterly clear statement that anyone with any sense of
    reasoning and logic could understand, yet we're talking about TOG
    here, who possesses neither but operates solely under the assumption
    that what he pontificates actually carries weight and value and that,
    under no circumstances, can he ever be wrong. Because, if that were
    to become a clear realization to him, as others have already seen, it
    would surely mean the destruction of his already weak and crying ego,
    propped up by his own delusional psyche. And all he will now do, is
    simply respond again with the same (yawn) banality as he usually does,
    saying he was right and that I made up a definition, clearly
    understood by all except for a mentally-disturbed individual like
    TOG. I hope he doesn't have a close family. What a burden it must be
    for them to have to continually monitor him and make certain he takes
    his psychotropic drugs.

    Bill
     
    Bill Miller., Aug 13, 2008
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  7. Bill Miller.

    paul c Guest

    The Older Gentleman wrote:
    ....

    Basically, you're saying DOT went off-topic. I think he doesn't do that
    much, rather he is quite good at tolerating thread drift. Even when
    some might think he has strayed, his posts usually still interest me
    because he is quite good at relaying his experience (I also like it that
    he doesn't seem to hesitate to mock the sacred cows of the present
    western world pc majority when that seems apt to him). When he doesn't
    go off-topic I usually savour his posts in spite of the malapropisms
    like "constant-vacuum" because he knows plenty I don't and which is why
    I come here. But YOU have gone even more off-topic!


    Apologies to other readers for committing the same sin, just thought a
    soft objection might calm the one-sided ego contest.
     
    paul c, Aug 14, 2008
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  8. Bill Miller.

    Bill Miller. Guest

    On Aug 12, 5:32 am, "TOG@Toil" <>
    wrote: Oh, can anyone enlighten me as to what a 'fern bar' is?

    +++Whaaaaat?, Mr. Word Nerd, the wannabe lexicographer, The Old
    Pompous Pile Of Dog Poop, aka TOG doesn't know the definition (and
    obviously hasn't heard of search engines and using dictionaries
    online). Most would figure that you visit them quite frequently
    astride your Queencycle specially polished for an evening out with the
    "boys."

    +++Well, in the interest of educating the rootless and demented word
    phony, guess I'll have to provide the ignorant old shithead a link so
    he can improve his vocabulary. Here ya go Toggy Doggy. BTW, I never
    charge to help the brainless elderly segment of society like yourself;
    just consider it my social good deed.

    Bill


    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fern bar


    PS. Hey. Dumbass Swede, you can read it too.
     
    Bill Miller., Aug 14, 2008
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  9. Bill Miller.

    Bill Miller. Guest

    read your stuff, then quick-scanned thru the remainder, then quit.


    Hey, that's okay with me if you choose to remain in your state of
    ignorance. By reading my posts you can only enlighten that dark dull
    void you live in but if you prefer to turn off the light and hunker
    down in a dark corner like a scared little boy, be my guest. If you
    decide that your wish to continue your education, Bill will be here to
    illuminate the dark empty recesses of your brain. See you soon.

    Bill
     
    Bill Miller., Aug 14, 2008
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  10. DOT?
     
    The Older Gentleman, Aug 14, 2008
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  11. What's interesting is that you actually took the trouble to remove all
    paragraph breaks yourself.

    And your own stream of consciousness that followed was equally devoid.
    It was just a constant stream of invective.

    Yet another 'indicator', were any need.

    OK, bored with you now. MWHID.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Aug 14, 2008
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  12. TOG politely asked those here present, which is an equally valid way of
    sourcing information. Otherwise nobody would ever ask a question on a
    newsgroup, would they?
    The irony of your dictionary reference amuses me.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Aug 14, 2008
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  13. Bill Miller.

    TOG@Toil Guest

    <Bad form post>

    Oh, right, got it now. Thought it was some fancy TLA ;-)
     
    TOG@Toil, Aug 14, 2008
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  14. Bill Miller.

    TOG@Toil Guest

    You thought wrong. We still have miles and good old-fashioned imperial
    gallons here[1].

    The Continentals express their consumption as litres per 100km. You
    were probably thinking of that.

    [1] It's rather odd. Britain went metric... oh, decades ago. Anyone
    over the age of 45 still tends to think in terms of pounds, miles and
    gallons. Our kids, in their late teens, are utterly familiar with
    metric but also occasionally use Imperial measurements (especially
    feet and inches).

    I'm happy with most metric measurements, but can't form an image of
    someone's height if they say they're 190cm tall, nor of their bulk if
    they say they weigh 75kg (same thing goes for US weights expressed in
    pounds, actually). I need feet and inches and stones to form a
    picture.

    We've actually developed a dual-measurement society. Food is sold in
    kilos or litres, but beer and milk are also offered in pints. Nobody
    asks for a half-litre of beer in a pub, but if you ask for a bottled
    beer, there's a good chance it'll come in a 300ml or 330ml bottle.
    Canned beer is sold in 500ml, and occasionally 440ml, cans, plus some
    smaller sizes: all metric. Bottled beer is sometimes sold in pints.

    Roads are measured in miles, while kilometres are taught in schools.
    Vehicle speedometers are graduated in both, with mph being more
    prominently marked. Fuel is universally sold in litres, but vehicle
    fuel consumption is universally expressed in miles per (Imperial)
    gallon. Speed limits are all in miles per hour. Vehicle weights are
    expressed in kilos. Motorcycle seat heights are usually expressed in
    millimetres, but inches are occasionally used.

    And so it goes. The EU actually wants Britain to go all-metric, but we
    have negotiated derogations for some things considered sacrosanct
    (like the pint of beer). They don't actually like us doing it our way,
    but they don't seem to have considered that the UK is utterly
    comfortable living with both systems.

    I've x-posted this to ukrm, because it's an interesting point. Does
    anyone on ukrm use metric measurements for motorcycle matters, and if
    so what?
     
    TOG@Toil, Aug 14, 2008
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  15. Bill Miller.

    Simon Wilson Guest

    Thread sizes mainly, unless it's a SO British bike.

    I still ask for wood in eg "3 metres of 2x1"
     
    Simon Wilson, Aug 14, 2008
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  16. Bill Miller.

    prawn Guest

    Fuel consumption: I have never been interested in MPG, but I use a litres and or miles to reserve scale of my own devising.
     
    prawn, Aug 14, 2008
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  17. Bill Miller.

    Eddie Guest

    Just about every fastener is measured in metric units, unless you've got
    some old non-Japanese thing.
     
    Eddie, Aug 14, 2008
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  18. Bill Miller.

    ogden Guest

    I'm familiar with metric but use imperial measures as a matter of
    course. That only extends as far as practical units like feet, yards,
    stones and pints - the only large unit I can do in imperial is the mile,
    stuff like chains and furlongs are well beyond my ken. When I was at a
    school we learns the metric system but I'm sure we had basic classes in
    some imperial measures as well, and the maths textbooks were old enough
    to refer to New Pence all the time.

    Conversely, the mrs has no idea what an inch is. That said, she's not
    sure how many centimetres are in a metre. She knows what the human body
    temperature is in Celsius but what a summer's day is in Fahrenheit, but
    muddles the two scales up on a regular basis. Actually, forget I
    mentioned her, she's a complete muppet when it involves numbers. Bad
    example.

    Same here. I have to mentally convert the metric figures into imperial,
    or at least do a rough comparison with something tangible (eg. a weight
    in kilos compared with what I think my own is).

    Kinda. Milk and beer are technically sold in measures of 568ml in pubs.
    I don't think anybody asks for a pint of beer on the basis that that's
    the quantity they want (cf. measuring out litres of petrol) - they just
    ask for a pint because it's convention. Likewise milk. Loose tobacco's
    sold in multiples of 12.5g but everyone calls it a half ounce - if
    that's not pure convention I don't know what is.
     
    ogden, Aug 14, 2008
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  19. Bill Miller.

    prawn Guest

    Which reminds me... illegal drugs are metric wholesale and imperial retail.
     
    prawn, Aug 14, 2008
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  20. Bill Miller.

    platypus Guest

    Bolts, lubricants, cylinder capacity, tyre sizes (not diameter), purchasing.
     
    platypus, Aug 14, 2008
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