TT Sidecars

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by ogden, Jun 7, 2005.

  1. ogden

    ogden Guest

    Absolutely fucking mental.

    Other than the fact that they're three-wheeled death-machines, why
    on earth are they so rare on tracks these days?

    If Rossi fancies a change, get him in an outfit and crank up a
    new GP series. I'd buy it!
     
    ogden, Jun 7, 2005
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  2. ogden

    ogden Guest

    Bad form, but jesus. A 112mph lap? On a 600cc three-wheeler?
     
    ogden, Jun 7, 2005
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  3. ogden

    sweller Guest

    Platty and I drunkenly discussed getting an imp engined outfit on the
    classic circuits. Fortunately I have no money.
     
    sweller, Jun 7, 2005
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    Pip Luscher Guest

    I always found them to be good to watch on club race days.
     
    Pip Luscher, Jun 7, 2005
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  5. ogden

    sweller Guest

    Don't know; Platy was going to be the passenger.
     
    sweller, Jun 7, 2005
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  6. Dunno. Sidecar racing is one of the best spectator events in *any*
    automotive sport, IMHO.

    <thinks>

    Perhaps the supply of willing loonies to act as passengers has been
    exhausted?
     
    The Older Gentleman, Jun 7, 2005
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  7. ogden

    Pip Luscher Guest

    On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 22:29:45 +0100,
    I did once fancy having a go but after reading the report from a
    journo who fell off the back at speed... perhaps not.

    Besides, I am dimensionally challenged for the position.
     
    Pip Luscher, Jun 7, 2005
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  8. Why not just weld the Ural and the Dneipr together? Easy, with the two
    chairs acting as outboards.

    You could have the world's first catamaran outfit.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Jun 7, 2005
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  9. Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Grimly Curmudgeon
    I rather think you'll find the Spagthorpe Co. beat you to that idea by
    some considerable time, old chap.

    --
    Wicked Uncle Nigel - Manufacturer of the "Champion-105" range of rearsets
    and Ducati Race Engineer.

    WS* GHPOTHUF#24 APOSTLE#14 DLC#1 COFF#20 BOTAFOT#150 HYPO#0(KoTL) IbW#41
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    Wicked Uncle Nigel, Jun 8, 2005
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  10. <cudgels memory> Nope.

    <googles>

    Ah. The Imperator-Holdworthy endurance outfit. Some described it as a
    true test of endurance to even look at the thing, never mind ride it.

    Born of a desire to carry four sacks of pheasants instead of the normal
    two and two ghillies, the design team at Spagthorpe set about their task
    at the request of Sir Giles Holdworthy, who needed a conveyance with
    good cross-country capabilities on his million acre estate in the
    Highlands.

    The simple idea of attaching two sidecars to an existing model, the
    Imperator, came to naught as the 4Litre triple-compound expansion engine
    wasn't up to the job and there simply wasn't enough room to fit a larger
    powerplant. Obviously there needed to be more power, and the geniuses of
    the Spagthorpe drawing room soon came up with the idea of two Imperators
    in parallel.

    Another Great British Idea sadly let down by the metallurgy of the time.

    In an effort to cut costs, the factory employed a team of highly trained
    monkeys to carry out the production line welding; each monkey working
    from a punch card - as a frame came in front of it, a large automated
    boxing glove punched the monkey until it welded the necessary pieces of
    steel together. Such a welding system, though wonderful in trials, soon
    showed its fundamental weakness - the desire of the monkey to avoid
    being punched. Monkeys, being smart little creatures, simply attached
    the welding electrodes to the boxing gloves and scampered off to the
    canteen. The resulting heaps of metal, though art, were not considered
    suitable for automotive use, and a salvage operation yielded a grand
    total of 5 useable Imperator frames.

    4 of these were converted to Imperator-Holdworthy specification and the
    remaining frame was turned into an attractive poolside decoration and
    cocktail cabinet at the home of Jeremy Spagthorpe's mistress, Fenella.

    In use, the ghillies of Holdworthy's estate found the
    Imperator-Holdworthy a tempermental beast; sometimes reluctant to start
    until the sun had warmed the condenser tank - the mechanic on the estate
    was reluctant to venture near the vehicle, owing to the unfortunate
    design decision to place the fuel tank directly over the firebox, so it
    was left entirely to the ghillies to fettle the vehicle. This noble band
    of men, though entirely adequate at their chosen profession, had one
    fatal weakness - they were not, and could not be expected to be,
    mechanics and unfortunately did not realise that the monkey welding was
    under severe strain as it held the mighty power of 8litres of engine in
    place.

    Things came to a head one day when Sir Giles himself was piloting the
    vehicle back to the lodge after a successful day's shoot. Laden down
    with 8 bags of pheasants, 3 ghillies and a small boy, the vehicle was
    trundling along at its maximum speed of approximately 84mph when the
    final monkey weld cried its last.

    The results were too horrific to contemplate; two ghillies went one
    direction, one ghillie and the boy went another and Sir giles went both
    ways. The whole incident was hushed up at the instigation of the
    government, for fear of shaking confidence in a British industry which
    provided employment for up to 10 workers in the grim unemployment
    blackspot of Spagthorpe.

    It was never recorded what happened to the pheasants.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Jun 8, 2005
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  11. Sorry to harp on about the old days but to watch Florian Camathias, Fritz
    Schiedegger and Chris Vincent etc at Brands back in the 60's was pure
    magic.

    And now the modern generation are still defying death as they put an outfit
    round the IOM at incredible speeds. Heros every one of them...
     
    Biker2 \(threadstopper\), Jun 8, 2005
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  12. Oh yes, absolutely.

    Does anyone else remember those two *splendid* TV clips? One was of an
    outfit running *very* wide and onto the grass for miles and miles until
    it suddenly disappeared - SPLASH! - into a water-filled ditch that,
    unaccountably, you didn't see coming.

    The second was, I think, at the Island. The passenger fell out on, IIRC,
    a right-hander. You just got the time to see the pilot look down at his
    empty chair, think to himself: "Where the **** did he go?" before you
    saw the bubble floating above the pilot's helmet: "Christ, I'm not going
    to get round this next bend, am I?"

    And, indeed, he didn't :))
     
    The Older Gentleman, Jun 8, 2005
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  13. <snip>

    Excellent. Bike magazine is trying to do something similar in their back
    pages. I've told' em it's been done before and done better. You've
    reminded me.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Jun 8, 2005
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  14. ogden

    Champ Guest

    [/QUOTE]
    That was Webster and Hewitt, at Assen
     
    Champ, Jun 8, 2005
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  15. ogden

    Monkey Guest

    My mate's amature sidecar racing career went something like:

    First race: pile-up at the first corner, sidecar finally stopped after
    t-boning a fallen rider in the back. Outfit too damaged to race any
    more that day.

    Second race (a few months later, following a rebuild): Broke down after
    a few laps.

    Third race: Crash on third lap. Mate died in a singles race at the same
    meeting.

    He decided to give up at that point.
     
    Monkey, Jun 8, 2005
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  16. ogden

    Pip Luscher Guest

    Oh, yes, I remember that.
     
    Pip Luscher, Jun 8, 2005
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  17. ogden

    Champ Guest

    Don't remember.
    <fx:crackle. Dim picture drifts in and out of focus>
    Hmm. Now you've got me thinking. I was originally remembering a very
    slow speed crash at a wet Assen, on the first lap, where several
    people all went down like dominos. But, I've now got a very dim
    memory of Lawson losing it at speed in the wet there, and yes, it was
    similar to the W&H crash.
    <fx: crackle. Picture fades>

    Sorry, that's the best I can do.
     
    Champ, Jun 9, 2005
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  18. ogden

    sweller Guest

    Unrelated...

    There's a quite famous bit of footage of an outfit setting sail sideways
    across the infield in the piss pouring rain and coming to rest with an
    almighty splash in a ditch.

    Brief pause then a mass of marshalls and bystanders leap in to rescue the
    passenger trapped under the bike; underwater.
     
    sweller, Jun 9, 2005
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  19. ogden

    Champ Guest

    You think?
    Yes, yes, yes - that's the footage of Webster and Hewitt already
    identified up there ^. Do try and keep up.
     
    Champ, Jun 9, 2005
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  20. ogden

    sweller Guest

    It is? Sorry, it'll not happen again.
     
    sweller, Jun 9, 2005
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