Trigonometry: please check my working

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Champ, Apr 7, 2008.

  1. Champ

    Champ Guest

    OK, so I've got a wheel with a brake disc that is held on with three
    bolts, arranged equally round the hub. The centre of each bolt is
    75mm from each of the other two (i.e. they form an equalateral
    triangle).

    Dredging up my schoolboy trig, I've calculated that the effective
    radius from the centre of the wheel hub to the bolt holes is 43.3mm.
    Anyone care to confirm, or correct? Please show your working...
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    Simon Wilson Guest

    I get 45.92 mm

    Working to follow.
     
    Simon Wilson, Apr 7, 2008
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  3. Champ

    Simon Wilson Guest

    I get 45.92 mm

    Working to follow.
     
    Simon Wilson, Apr 7, 2008
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  4. Champ

    Simon Wilson Guest

    Split the triangle into two right angle triangles with sides 75, 37.5
    and 64.95 (pythagorus)

    The centre of the wheel is halfway along the 64.95 side.

    The new right angled triangle formed from the centre has sides of 37.5,
    64.95/2, and the radius, which from pythag again is sqrt((64.95/2)^2 +
    37.5^2) = 49.6

    Arse.

    Yet another answer.
     
    Simon Wilson, Apr 7, 2008
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    Eddie Guest

    I agree.

    http://homepages.gotadsl.co.uk/~deguello/ukrm/07042008053.jpg
     
    Eddie, Apr 7, 2008
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    Ace Guest

    Equilateral triangle has all angles = 60 deg
    Your required length (r) is the radius hub centre to any bolt, so draw
    a line, which will disect the angle, giving 30 deg. Extend one of the
    other radii to make a right-angled triangle, disecting your known
    length, therefore producing a triangle with one side 37.5 mm and a 30
    deg angle.

    So using the old SOHCAHTOA, where Cos=Adjacent/Hypotenuse
    you'll get
    cos(30)=37.5/r
    r = 37.5/cos(30) = 43.301

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    Simon Wilson Guest

    I'll get me coat.
     
    Simon Wilson, Apr 7, 2008
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  8. Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Champ
    Are you certain about that 75mm? Only 43.3 is an odd sort of number.
     
    Wicked Uncle Nigel, Apr 7, 2008
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  9. Champ

    Champ Guest

    Halfway along? <marks down>
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    Cane Guest

    AutoCAD says you're right.
     
    Cane, Apr 7, 2008
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    David Toft Guest

    43.30 as drawn in Autocad
     
    David Toft, Apr 7, 2008
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    Paul - xxx Guest

    You could use

    http://www.1728.com/indextrg.htm

    43.301

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    Glaarp Guest

    So does Microstation
     
    Glaarp, Apr 7, 2008
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  14. Champ

    Champ Guest

    It is, isn't it. The three bolts had dished heads, so Keef just stuck
    the verniers into bolt head. Could easily be +/- 1mm out.

    If I were getting something made, that would be disastrous, obviously.
    But, in fact, I'm just trying to describe what I've got so I can get
    another one the same off the shelf, so it should be good enough for
    these purposes.

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    Champ, Apr 7, 2008
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    Simon Wilson Guest

    Sorry sir, I'll try harder next time.
     
    Simon Wilson, Apr 7, 2008
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    Pete Fisher Guest

    If you work backwards from a radius of 42 you would probably get the
    correct bolt spacing and the meaning of life...
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    Steve Guest

    Agree

    I've constructed it on CAD and the circle works out at 86.603mm

    Steve
     
    Steve, Apr 7, 2008
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    Ace Guest

    Yeah, that's nice and easy to remember. What are 'B' and 'P' supposed
    to stand for anyway?

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    Ace, Apr 8, 2008
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  19. Base and Perpendicular?

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    Ace Guest

    OIC. Somehow not as intuitive as Opposite, Adjacent and Hypotenuse.

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