Track school diary lvl 2 (sorry, long)

The manner in which you refer, nay..dismiss! throttle control
suggests you actually have little or no idea of what it actually is. I
hesitate to mention the term counter steering for fear of a rant on
how you manage to steer your bike with your dicky knees whilst
balancing the bag of onions over the handlebars.

Thanks for confirming ones suspciions.. now we can all consider your
other opinions with renewed clarity.

 

Nev...why are you misquoting? No one "guaranteed" anything!

 

I'm honoured that you'd take the trouble to reread old posts. I think
it's worth reading twice too

Nev..

 

That's a lame admission of guilt...apology accepted.

 

On 03/07/11 5:46 PM, alx wrote:


Be nice, alx.

If you need to move around on the bike a la L3, on the public road you
are being a menace to yourself and other road users.

regards,
CrazyCam

 

Until that wet corner comes along (on the public road) and it's kind
of comforting to not have to lean the bike as far.

We're not talking boy racer stuff and that's a perception issue people
appear to have with track-based training (especially if they ride a
touring bike and spy the words "superbike school" in literature they
found in the sample bag at the last bike show they attended).

 

I still stand by my original statement.

I disagree.

IMHO, most of superbike school is boy racer stuff.

Yes, it's a perception issue, based on what I saw doing L1 and L2 and
hearing and seeing some of the L3 stuff.

L1, again IMHO, is useful to a road rider in terms of being a relatively
safe way of seriously getting the hang of quick turning by forceful
counter steering.

regards,
CrazyCam

 

And you're entitled to disagree and I thank you for having put your
reasoning. I'm just opposed to alternative viewpoints that rely on
throwing in a misquote/misrepresentation.

 

....and you still hang around aus.moto?

regards,
CrazyCam

 

It's a good think you never tried to suggest that advanced racing
techniques like throttle control could be practiced every time you take
a corner on the road, Cam. Leave that racetrack talk for the racetrack!

Nev..

 

On 03/14/11 8:05 PM, Nev.. wrote:

Dunno, Nev.

Basic pre-learners courses teach that you should be "driving" the bike
round a corner, as in a degree of throttle being applied.

That's exactly what I have said, isn't it?

Trying to teach folk, on the street, just how hard they can counter
steer into a corner is a different matter.

It is bloody near impossible to do, on the road, but is reasonable and
acceptable on a race track.

As for sliding your bum from one side to another........ boy racer
stuff, no sensible application on the road.

BTW, one of the other things that are good for trying out on the race
track, but not done by superbike school, is the business of blasting
down the main straight at whatever speed, then stopping the bike. :-O

StayUpright used to do this but I dunno if they still do.

Some track based training can be useful to the road rider, but it
depends on the school and/or teachers.

regards,
CrazyCam

 

In aus.motorcycles on Mon, 14 Mar 2011 21:01:38 +1100

And just learning what a difference it makes is important.

It does depend on the bike. The Monty (Ducati 750 F1 Montjuich which
was quite literally a racer with lights, it was a homogulation
special) was a bit of a pig if you didn't climb over it. It was sorta
designed for that, and needed a bit of body english for the tight
corners in the Adelaide hills.

Phil warned me about that, I thought he was kidding, but he wasn't!

I've never felt the need to do more than shift a bum cheek on any
other bike but on that one you pretty much had to climb from one side
of it to the other.

Superbike aren't into braking. No idea if they do it on later levels,
you'd think they'd at least have something about it. They aren't into
*stopping* though, because you don't do it in a race.

I believe the Advanced does and I suspect the Cornering and Braking
does.

I found both Stay Upright and Superbike Level One of use to this road
rider, and in that order.



Zebee

 

" I'm only here for the idiots "

 

Throttle control is an advanced racing technique?

 

I did a Stay Upright at Amaroo ..track speeds were higher than SbSkool
at Eastern (or the corners seemed to lurch in front quicker)...I think
we were even allowed to use brakes and more than a couple of gears,
unlike SbSkool, which tends to focus ones attention to the task at
hand and not get too enthusiastic out of one corner given dealing with
the next corner with no brakes.

 

On 03/14/11 9:56 PM, alx wrote:

Well, the corners were much closer together at Amaroo.

<sniff> I miss that track.

It was great fun to ride, good for training and didn't have the big main
straight like E.C., which can get pretty boring if you haven't got a
really fast bike.

regards,
CrazyCam

 

At Amaroo there were a couple of walls that ensured you never overshot
a couple of corners too.